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Tomorrowslookingfine · 15/12/2010 18:53

After complaining I recieved an email today, did anyone else?

I am not impressed by their reply, and am wondering whether to reply back...

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wendihouse22 · 15/12/2010 18:58

Yep, I had the standard Ch4 reply. Basically, you were warned prior to the start of the programme. You can always turn off!!

They don't get it do they?

I'm waiting to hear from Ofcom too.

sickofsocalledexperts · 15/12/2010 19:00

me too, and when I went back at them again they simply said we await ofcom's proposals and can say no more. I hope they get in a lot of trouble for this, but we need to keep up the pressure, eg by keeping the thread going on the main mumsnet site. That kind of thing matters nowadays, look at the politicians queueing up to schmooze mumsnet! It is a power, but sadly only on the main board, not t he SEN board.

Tomorrowslookingfine · 15/12/2010 19:08

Its a complete cop-out. As if the disclaimer at the start about him being offensive to some viewers justifies his direct attack on a specific disabled child!

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1percentawake · 15/12/2010 20:23

I also got a reply basically saying it was all justified because there was a disclaimer before the programme was aired. I returned the following to their pitiful response:

Dear Doug,
Thanks for your thoughtful and considered reply.

So a disclaimer is enough to push any boundaries of taste to their limits? Perhaps I should make a programme throwing elderly people out of windows or shooting people from ethnic minorities? Would that be acceptable as long as there is a disclaimer absolving me from all responsibility?

I have now been sent an email saying they are no longer dealing with this as Ofcom are involved. Funny that, since I returned my email 10 mins after they sent theirs Confused

Tomorrowslookingfine · 15/12/2010 20:34

Grr it makes me so mad, they're in the wrong - why cant they admit it!

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r3dh3d · 15/12/2010 20:38

Ah. Well, if you go onto the Ofcom website and have a look at the broadcasting regs, the "standard" C4 response makes a bit more sense.

Ofcom are not bothered by whether what is broadcast is legal, eg whether it is discriminatory. It's up to the courts to chase that up and KP's lawyers will be all over that if there's the slimmest chance of pulling it off. Ofcom's remit is (in this case) simply to decide whether material is "offensive".

Per the regs, the degree of offence can be mitigated or justified by its context. So eg what is offensive in a drama is different to what is offensive in a news programme: most would be OK to watch a dramatized death but uncomfortable watching a real one. Ofcom also specifically advises broadcasters that the offence of many items can and should be reduced by appropriate warnings. So, Ofcom's guidance is that if something is a joke, broadcast late at night to an audience warned that the material is offensive, most people will be OK with it.

The counteracting principle of the broadcasting guidelines is that the commonsense rule of what is "generally acceptable" should apply. Pretty much anything you say will offend someone, but if what you say offends most people then you shouldn't be broadcasting it.

My reading of the regs, therefore, is that if most people are offended by the material despite the comedy context, late hour and specific warnings, then the material is offensive by Ofcom's definition - and the regulators should act. Which is why C4's response is wrong. And why I hope the regulators are going to fine them to kingdom come.

wendihouse22 · 15/12/2010 22:08

Hope so.

Thanks for the explanation r3dh3d. Clearer now.

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