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School using behavioural chart for 3 weeks, without telling me. DS1(6) mild ASD, behaviour still bad.

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Oblomov · 05/11/2010 19:47

wonder if you could advise.
Ds1(6.9) was good as gold as school. Pyschologist (private) says can't diagnose ASD becasue doesn't tick enough of the boxes. but where he does, it is severe. e.g. very poor empathy.

But saving grace was that he was good at school atleast. Bright, doing well. no problems. Until now.

Just before half term, one of ds's friends tells me thta he is so naughty that he lost his playtime on his beahviour chart again.
I was so livid. Met teacher. SENCO was there aswell. SENCO said there had never been a problem in the last 2 years, so ther 'must be a reason, as if it must be me !! SENCO did know I was having him assessed. she knew home problems and thus advised me to.teacher said it had been going on for weeks, and that she had meant to catch me !! but that this week, she instigated chart etc.

discussed it with him over half term.promised his beahviour would improve.

so today i go for a meeting with teacher. he's been telling me that he's ben good all week.
he has lied to us. he had been good. very good. but also lost alot of minutes she says. for calling out. copying and mimicking her in a nasty silly voice. etc etc.

she says this is the schools standard way of dealing with behaviour. warning, minute lost at playtime etc. and that she has lots of children on the board who have been told off etc.

but i think teacher is naieve, as to the fact thta the other children know this is going on. I support strong discipline totally. but if charts don't work after a week or 2 , surely something else needs to be examined.

My friend, who has a ds in the same class had problems with her ds in reception. all the children called him a naughty boy. he had a chart going on for over a month without mum being told. then she found out that they sat him up high and all the children were asked if he had been a good boy today.
stigmatised.
soon all the parents were talking about him. not invited to parties etc.
as it was, when he was moved to a different table, away from 2 boys, he was good as gold and floursihed, particularly academically.

The friend, ( the ds thta made the original comment about losing his minutes, ) told me that everyone is still talking about my ds. presumably parents are too. I want them to discipline him. but discreetly. I don't want him talked about.

PLUS, after the long talk over half term, it doesn't seem to be working , does it ?
teacher said she wanted to continue with it for another 2 weeks, but i think quite alot of damge has already been done.

Or maybe i am totally over-reacting. they do know best. shall i let them get on with it ?

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Oblomov · 09/11/2010 09:08

purple, you ae right, this is the kind of thing I am looking for. They keep shoving it down our throats ( and i mena everyone, every supernanny, every place you go), how everything is supposed to be positive. positive parenting.
Yet this is totally negative. He is being told by the ohters children that he is a naughty boy. Well Aspergers are not 'naughty', are they.
And he is losing 3 or so minutes most days. How is this positive ?

Fine for a normal child, thats being a bit... and needs towing in line for a few days. for the teacher to show her who is boss.
But if it goes on long term, then how can this be considered a good tecnique.

I have rung child pyschologist and asked for letter asap.
What else can I do ?

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IndigoBell · 09/11/2010 09:49

First of all - totally ignore everyone, especially supernanny. Those normal reward / praise techniques very often do not work AT ALL with ASD kids.

I (try to) never reward or punish my kids. If they do something unacceptable than I will talk to them and tell them why what they did was wrong - but I try not to punish them.

I also try to only give genuine praise, when they really did do something good, rather than 'good girl' being a verbal tick....

They can learn right from wrong though dialogue not just from punishments......

Anyway, not much help for you and school. Schools are very tricky places, and almost all of us are struggling with them.....

But just wanted to give you support. It is totally possible that everyone is wrong, including school, and you are right.

Oblomov · 09/11/2010 10:40

Indigo, do you think I am wrong ?
I didn't think he was Aspegers. I knew there was somehting, but i didn't think it was htta close to AS. I told child pyschologist this. I had already looked at the test. But she said no, he had vocab beyond his years, very bright, defiant, no empathy etc. She said she thought he was going to get worse.
She and CAHMS lady, told me that school wouldn't like it. Now I know what they mean.

Or maybe I am wrong. Maybe its my bad parenting. God, I wish it was. But no every parenting course and private consultation I have paid for, tell me "I am doing everything right. Stick with it."

I was naieve. I thought school would be more supportive. I already feel like I've been fighting, for years, everywhere.
But as you said, all parents of Aspergers children have to 'fight' with the school. I will try and get some perspective on this. Thank you.

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IndigoBell · 09/11/2010 11:00

I don't think you are wrong, and I don't think it is bad parenting.

I think, in all likelihood it is all those parenting courses which are wrong.

We were all naive at the beginning. We've all learnt how to fight and how to trust our own parenting skills.

Your school sound very bad. But unfortunately this is not unusual.

Oblomov · 09/11/2010 13:04

Clinical pyschologist letter arrived by e-mail today. says not enough to diagnose, but definte traits.
says he "needs to be treated as an Aspergers child".

nuff said. can't wait what they are going to do now. Still deny it ?

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purplepidjin · 09/11/2010 18:07

In your DS's head he probably is being good, because he is following all the rules he knows. It has been said that people with autism don't lie; this is not quite accurate. IME of working with them, people with autism see the world in a different way to those who fall under the heading of NT. So, as far as he's aware, he is telling the truth. He may not recognise the loss of playtime as a punishment, especially if playtime is when he's least happy!

Reward schemes can work well with children with ASD, but you have to know what motivates them. I have run them to earn: computer/PS3 in own bedroom; time on computer/PS3; weekly magazine; toy soldiers; computer games; money; 1:1 trips out (local drum shop was a hit!)

You also need to know how to do the scheme. I have used stickers, tokens to represent money, tokens to represent time, cut up bits of paper that eventually form a picture, quiz sheets about emotions...

The common factor is the need for it to be tailored to the individual child, which is why I suggested the target thing above ^^

HTH?

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