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Writing skills.....what do you all think??

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Anna85 · 27/10/2010 14:44

My DS is nealy 5 (recent dx of ASD)

He cannot write his name, and doesn't really draw. If you draw a triangle and ask him to copy it he actually cannot physically do it, the same with his name he cannot copy what you write.

Also if he is trying to draw a square his lines are not straight and seem wonky.

Is this normal for his age?

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auntevil · 27/10/2010 14:50

Is he in Reception? I would say a good half of children in MS reception cannot legibly write their names - lots of squiggles. Does he recognise his name?
Have the school made any comment?

Anna85 · 27/10/2010 14:56

Just said that he doesn't like doing "writing exercises"

Its the fact he doesn't copy things either like a triange etc!

Yeah he is in Reception x

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Al1son · 27/10/2010 15:08

If his fine motor skills aren't the greatest (which is quite common with ASD) he's probably feeling unsuccessful compared to his classmates. The best thing to do is help him with activities which develop the skills he needs but in a way that makes him feel successful.

Send him out in the garden with a pot of water and a paintbrush to do water painting.

Get him to swirl ribbons, wave wands to make bubbles and other big movements.

Give him chalks to use on a patio.

Playdough, plasticine and gloop are also really good for developing those writing muscles.

The bigger the movements and the more successful he is, the more he'll want to do it. This will let him see himself as a capable person who can achieve and make it easier when he is ready to try writing.

auntevil · 27/10/2010 15:16

Most DC don't like doing things that they find difficult. Lots of exercises exist that can help with hand strength and co-ordination. Playing with play doh - helping you make dough, cutting with scissors, pegging washing out , peeling stickers off backing sheet and sticking them to something etc helps to develop control without actually picking up a pen.
School will be making him do some work - i would be looking to find out if he is improving on a regular basis - particularly if he has a dx. Find out if they are already doing work with him for this. Does he have an IEP? I know that in my DS school, they are only putting them into ability groups for some subjects after half term(reception). They may have just been waiting to see in this half term what he might be able to achieve when a routine has been established.
Speak to his teacher when he goes back. She might give you games and activities that you can do to help him enjoy it more.

Marne · 27/10/2010 15:44

I think its normal (even more so for boys) not to be interested in reading and writting, i know children in both my dd's years at school (reception and year 2) that can barely write their names and show no intersest in drawing.

Both my dd's are on the spectrum, dd2 is in reception and can write her name but the letters are backwards, she does try and write other words but struggles to form some letters. She's great at typing though Grin.

IndigoBell · 27/10/2010 17:43

Can he scribble and make marks on the paper? Is it just letters and shapes he can't do? Or are his hands not physically strong enough to write?

Triggles · 27/10/2010 17:52

DS2 is 4 and in reception and doesn't have the coordination or hand strength to use a pencil well. The teacher suggested the use of markers and paper or dry-erase markers and a write-on/wipe-off board for him to practice on, as they don't need the pressure a pencil does to make a mark. D2 seems to be much more interested in trying now that he doesn't have to push down so hard to write or draw. He still is having some coordination issues with it (pencil grip) but at least he's willing to try now.

Anna85 · 27/10/2010 18:23

Yeah he does scribbles just coping shapes/letters!

His fine motor skills are okay as he can thread beads etc x

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oddgirl · 27/10/2010 18:47

What are his gross motor skills like? Children need to have good strong shoulder strength to write-actually more important initially than fine motor skills...hanging from monkey bars/wheelbarrows/pushing/pulling heavyish objects/big movements with arms/writing on a vertical board all helpful inme...fwiw DS OT said many children not physically "ready"/able to properly write until 7, particualrly those on spectrum who often have co-ordination issues and poor core muscle strength.
HTH

genieinabottle · 27/10/2010 19:24

DS is also nearly 5 and has asd.
His pencil grip is weak, he sometimes tries holding the pen with both hands to give himself a stronger hold on it.

When we make a dot pattern of his name (only 3 letters) he has great trouble making the lines to write it. It's all wonky and not jagged.

He has actually getting upset by it now, and keps saying 'it's wrong'. He has difficulties copying shapes too, he can do oval shapes and lines but it is quite wonky looking.

DS isn't much into colouring or drawing neither. For the 1st time ever a couple of days ago, he has made a drawing that ressemble something. His very first man like shape, he did 'a robot with a gun'. And i was gobsmacked at how well he did it considering it's the first one.

I was so proud, i'm going to laminate the drawing!! Grin

genieinabottle · 27/10/2010 19:25

all jagged... i was supposed to write. lol

Anna85 · 27/10/2010 19:28

Genieninabottle - does he get any help through the OT for this?

Its not just the writing but confusion when u ask him to copy shapes etc!

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genieinabottle · 27/10/2010 20:01

We are still waiting for our OT appointment to come through. So i'm not too clued up on how to help him atm.
But paed has mentioned his wrists, fingers amd ankles joints were 'loose'. She has suggested we get him pencil grips things to help him get a better hold.

DS does also get confused with what he is supposed to be doing, directly linked to the asd.

Anna85 · 27/10/2010 20:02

All so confusing but I know others in his class including boys all write their names!! As its on the boards in the classroom!

The OT is coming out in 2 weeks so I have asked her to look at that side of it!

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Triggles · 27/10/2010 21:38

We got the pencil grip things for DS2 for his pencils, but he still doesn't have the strength in his hands to grip and push down as well, so they're not much help at the moment. That's why the teacher suggested markers. Hopefully, we can build up his strength enough to use the pencil grips eventually.

moosemama · 27/10/2010 22:46

My ds2 is nt and he really struggled with writing anything - including his own name at the same age. We used to do five minutes a night on it.

We started out with him writing over what I had written, then moved onto the join the dots thing, then finally to him having a go freehand. He used to write his name twice every afternoon (shortened version of his first name intially, then first name, then both first and surname) after school and then we practised writing a different letter of the alphabet five times as well. Every day I drew him a different smiley face for all his effort and he really looked forward to what I was going to draw next.

We also bought some dot to dot books and some of the pre-handwriting books you can get which focus on wave patterns and zig-zags etc rather than letter formation. The one had a gold star for every page he completed and at the time it gave him a real sense of achievement to achieve something, rather than focussing on what he couldn't do (ie write his letters properly).

One thing he really enjoyed was drawing letter monsters on his magna-doodle. He still does it now sometimes when he is bored. You just get them to draw any letter and it doesn't matter how rough it is as they then add to it to make it into a fun creature or monster. I found this helped him to get past his negative associations with writing.

It also helped to keep the sessions really short, fun and rewarding and not to do the same thing every night.

He was on an IEP and on the 'bottom table' for the whole of year 1, while he 'caught up' and he wasn't the only one - there were quite a few in the same situation - interestingly, all boys. By the end of year 1 he had caught up enough that he was moved from the bottom group into the middle and he is now (just beginning year 2) sitting comfortably in the middle of that group.

From speaking to the teachers, it seems a lot of boys seem to struggle at this age and having ASD does predispose some children to fine motor problems.

Ds1 is a different kettle of fish. He has ASD and both fine and gross motor problems. He is now in Year 4 and his writing is atrocious and he finds drawing, using a ruler and using scissors really hard as well. We have recently (on the advice of the inclusion team) bought him some stabilo smove pencils which have helped a lot with his grip. We were also advised to get him a writing slope and look at his sitting position as it all helps to create the right position for writing. We found that using a junior sit fit helps him to sit up and hold his upper body better, as he has a tendency to slump forwards due to poor core and upper body strength.

That said, as he is so negative about his writing and its getting in the way of his school work, the inclusion team are working towards getting him to type his work instead of writing by the end of year 4, so we are currently trying to teach him to touch type on their advice. We are still working on his writing skills though as I don't want him to slip backwards and feel that writing skills are still important and shouldn't be shelved completely in favour of typing.

Oo, just thought, another recommendation was painting on an easel - large brushstrokes. It doesn't even have to be a picture to start with, you can just get him to paint a whole sheet a single colour or maybe stripes or swirls. The bigger the arm movements the better to strengthen his upper back and shoulders. Also, a friend who is an OT said if you have any walls that need painting, give him a roller and paintbrush and set him to work - again excellent upper back and shoulder exercise.

moosemama · 27/10/2010 22:47

Sorry, that was a mahoosive post. Should have previewed, as I typed it in bits because I kept getting interrupted. Hope I said something useful in there somewhere. Blush

Triggles · 28/10/2010 07:15

moosemama I like those stabilo smove pencils! Thanks for posting that link - that's something we will look at once DS has a bit more strength and is ready to use a pencil!

wasuup3000 · 28/10/2010 09:56

A private OT who I had earlier this year for my son then aged 5 mentioned that if a child can't draw a triangle then they are not ready for writing yet. Hopefully your OT will be able to shed more light. My son also has dyspraxia as well as ASD and ADD.

IndigoBell · 28/10/2010 17:00

Anna - could he have visual perception problems? So he doesn't actually see a triangle properly?

Anna85 · 28/10/2010 18:57

Thanks everyone for ur help and ideas etc!

Moosemama - u have given me lots of ideas

IndigoBell - its very strange as it seems he doesn't get what I want him to copy etc....the same as trying to do his name...he does the b but then if I do the next letter he cannot copy the same as I have done!! Is Visual Perception a sigh problem?? xx

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IndigoBell · 28/10/2010 21:57

Why don't you get his eyesight tested by a Behaviour Optometerist (google BABO).

The behaviour refers to the behavior of his eyes - not of your son :)

It's the only way you can rule out vision problems....

Anna85 · 29/10/2010 07:47

He does wear glasses but he can recognise what they are asking him to look at etc! it just seems pen to paper!! xx

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