soiling how to deal

[roundthebend4]

ds is 5,3 is pretty good about going for a wee though does need reminding if busy .

But he still soils his pants and wont tell you will just carry on what ever he is doing infact if he has done wee in them to though thats rarer.

At night he is still in nappies and i often check on him and find he has done a poo but is sounds asleep

Know some can be down to the Eds as been told it affects the bowel as its muscle so is floopy and so do wonder if he does not notice himself going but then think he would notice sat in it or the smell he just does not care

Today he has soiled self twice at school , came home done little bit but got him on to the toilet and he did most there , 30 minutes later caught whiff he done some in his pants then just checked on him hes asleep but had done a poo in nappy so changed him

someone will have better advice, but all I can say is I really sympathise... all that washing, and frustration! it seems like it will never end... but then for us, DS suddenly sorted it out ( nearly) just before he was 6. I think it was when I told him he couldn't go to disneyland if he poos himself.

Should say ds has cp ,gdd ,eds and verbal oral dyspraxia

It's the facet he does not seem to notice he has done it
and you say to him where poo go and he says signs toilet
Hmm that won't work don't think for ds I'm beginning to wonder if it's more medical

DS1 has chronic constipation. A knock-on effect of withholding poo meant his bowel got stretched so didn't get the usual signals he needs to go. He has meds to help with the constipation and to get him back recognising the signs we had to encourage him to sit on the toilet for longer. Reminding him when he farts that is also a sign to go and try. (height of sophisticated conversation chez the PolarEye's )
Also worth making sure your ds isn't constipated as frequent poos can also be a sign, particularly if they are of a looser consistency (as could indicate going round a blockage).

Ds2 has had just the same (chronic constipation, overflow, seems unable to detect when he needs to poo or when it has already come out) and despite having seen a pretty sympathetic gastroenterologist we are still struggling with it I am afraid. I have realised that I really need to keep on top of his water intake and fibre intake. I badger him to drink water, I add linseeds to his porridge, cereal, soup etc. and I try to offer loads of fruit and veg every day. He likes healthy food and eats well when we make sure there are good choices around. But it only takes a couple of days of chips or pizza and he is blocked up again, and next thing you know he is wandering around stinking to high heaven and swearing he absolutely does not need to sit on the loo. School dinners, unfortunately, do not help as he absolutely loves the most stodgy meals and takes loads of white bread and butter to go with them.

I go through patches of feeling very patient with him and then it doesn't take much for me to lose my patience - sleep deprivation doesn't help, plus the fact that he gets very angry with either me or dp when we try to get him on the loo or to clean him up. He shouts, screams, kicks and tells us we are horrible. He's only 6. I dread to think what it will be like when he is older and stronger. Plus ds3 has started to copy him.

Sorry, this has turned into a self-absorbed moan but really what I wanted to say was that I sympathise and that it might be worth thinking about chronic constipation as a cause.

Good luck

I could offload (no pun intended) here too on the soiling front. Ds2 has chronic constipation too and it really can get you down, so definitely sympathy from me too. He's almost 7 now and is embarrassed about it and has become quite secretive about the whole 'poo issue', but he really can't help it and we're at our wits end too.

Ty will think about the constipation side though ds is pretty good vedge and fruit eater

His bowel is probably extra stretch due to the EDS guess if like you said if been overstretched fir any reasons he is not getting the signal that needs to go

Hoghfibre diet rant away I'm fortunate that ds is a pretty laid back little chap so don't have the same problems that you do

Couple times I admit to just throwing the pants at £2,50 for 10 pairs occasionally it's just not worth it

roundthebend4 - may be worth asking GP/continence nurse about suppositories if the EDS means he won't feel the signals. They should help create a regular poo time though I don't know how long they can be used for.

Can totally relate highfibre & Aero, it is only in the last few months DS1 has stopped with the furious response. We got him to sit longer on the loo by letting him play on a DS. Once he was over the rage we upped the ante to once a poo in the loo he could play DH's DS (something he covets muchly). I think we are in it for the longhaul with him, as it only takes one missed dose of movicol/him getting a minor bug/him getting anxious and we are back into withholding terrority.

Ds has limited sensation around going to the toilet. He says he doesnt know he needs to go until it 'pops out'.

Continence clinic have told me to sit him on the toilet every half an hour. Ds is having none of it, he doesnt want to sit on the toilet as he doesnt think he needs to go!

I have just been reminding him every half hour, no luck yet, but perhaps its just a case of needing reminding like everything else eating for example he needs prompting to eat.

He used to just sit it in, sensory diet seems to helped a bit as he now knows he feels 'wet'