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SanctiMoanyArse · 03/10/2010 17:07

as it seems to, that carer's will cease to exist and all claimants will go into same pot assesssed on family income, how many carers will cases to get a penny based on their OH's earnings?

Not me yet but if I don't manage to get sorted the time will come. Am I sure I want to do this for free forever? No.

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SanctiMoanyArse · 03/10/2010 17:46

Well, I did capitalise if and want to make it clear there are no cerrtainties

But JSA won;t exist, it'll just be Universal Credit

The jopke for us is that we choose not to claim one benfit we are entitled to (Council Tax Credit) as we don;t actively need it at this moment- but it would be included in a package we were awarded.

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ouryve · 03/10/2010 18:55

I'll no doubt be one of those. That'll go, along with all of our tax credits and child benefit, I should imagine.

2shoes · 03/10/2010 19:06

I can see us all loosing out.
I mean 17p an hour is too much for this goverment

SanctiMoanyArse · 03/10/2010 19:18

Prediction for child benefit (and my guess is this is all just to test the water so.... you know where your MPs are!) is that it will end at 16 (even though education won't- odd) and be means tested.

Mum's been caring for Grandfad for a while despite the fact that they really don't get on (huge history)- she says he can go to a care home if it's a choice between him or the bills.

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Lougle · 03/10/2010 19:32

"Disability Living Allowance will remain outside the Universal Credit, and those who care for the disabled should be able to take part-time or short-term work and not lose their benefits." www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1317328/TORY-CONFERENCE-Middle-class-families-face-losing-child-benefit.html

SanctiMoanyArse · 03/10/2010 19:34

Yes DLA remains unaffected.

It's carers I am concerned about. DLA being for teh kids (I actually know someone who can no longer get it for her son becuase they showed she used it for non- son items )

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SanctiMoanyArse · 03/10/2010 19:35

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SanctiMoanyArse · 04/10/2010 10:28

have done up a letter for my MP; will C&P after the pSych appt.

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2shoes · 04/10/2010 10:42

phew I was worried about DLA as dd will need that to live on when she is older and it pays me iynwim(can't work as I have to care for her, and carers don't over a thing)

2shoes · 04/10/2010 10:44

SanctiMoanyArse i think that is going to be a problem faced by a lot of parents as well, if they keep cutting our money, we will have to put our kids in residential.....which is a lot more expensive

SanctiMoanyArse · 04/10/2010 16:20

Right OK sorry

This is a latter but to an MP I was chatting to only last week so less formal than normal IYSWIM

I hope you don't mind but after talking to other people in a similar situation this weekend I have decided to contact my MP about the changes to a universal credit system, to explain how it would affect us. I will remind you from my previous email that we are a family with two autistic children (and two others), I am a carer and part time MA student, and my husband is a full time student who also has a part time income from his own very small business.

Obviously there are no details at this stage but I have a feeling that should we wait for them it would be too late.

The Government has reassured people that DLA will continue as a separate entity, and said that will help carers. However, legally DLA has to be spent (rightly) on the cared for person: it is not an income for us. George Osbourne has in the past referred to DLA as working against getting people into work: in fact, DLA is paid alongside work, study or school for many and is simply a benefit designed to cover the costs of a disability. Given that there is an entire system for under 16 years old, I cannot myself see how those children should be working but then it seems fairly clear George Osborne has very little understanding of the systems he helps administer.

What there has been so far is no mention of Carer's Allowance except a comment that the new system will help us if we want to take odd bits of work (actually quite useful in itself). That would seem to imply that we are covered, then.

Except at this stage Carer's Allowance is paid to any carer who cares for someone requiring medium to high rate DLA for more than 36 hours a week, works under 18 hours in a paid job and earns under £100 a week. If you get income support as well I understand you are allowed to keep a little of the Carer's Allowance, as it is recognised you are providing a service. I haven't claimed income support though so cannot confirm that.

What a new universal credit will do is means test a significant proportion of carers away from the system. At this moment, people are entitled to receive it regardless of their family income: it is considered apparently as compensation for the costs and work of care.

All these people will completely lose their entitlement under a universal system if it is truly universal, and if it did have extra clauses for carers then it would not be universal and would have the extra administration costs that they claim will be saved. Either way, something is decidedly up!

So far I have spoken to two people who are really going to be affected: one woman providing care for a family member that she really does not get on with and will return to work and pass the costs to the state if this comes in, and

I realise that there is only so much you can do but if you can help highlight how this may affect carers then we would appreciate it. There were so many pre-election promises about how we wouldn't lose out yet it seems we may well, by stealth. I won't be affected yet by the introduction of means testing for what replaces Carer's Allowances but a great many will, and there will be some for whom that is a push too far, especially in these days of Social Services cuts when respite and disability childcare are slightly rarer than moondust.

Whilst I am mailing though there is in fact one thing that would enable me to get back into work a year earlier than seems possible at the moment.

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roundthebend4 · 04/10/2010 16:32

I get carers allowance but lost most of my income support keep £23. A week of the is as carers is seen as wage so deducted from it

roundthebend4 · 04/10/2010 16:34

I would love a job to fit in round ds3 appointments scho holidays school tomes and his sick days but can't see anyone employing me as I would need time of short notice as is only me as single parent for 4 d

SanctiMoanyArse · 04/10/2010 16:35

Wella s far as I can work out under the new scheme IS and CA will be the smae amount, and no household will get over £500 (not counting DLA) in benefits a week.

It seems as tax credits will be aprt of that so we will be about £400 a month down i think.

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roundthebend4 · 04/10/2010 16:50

Ug I'm going to be hit hard then with private rent and council tax i live in expensive part of the country and can't move house is pefect for ds3 is dormer bungalow near school for him and near my parents for help

will be screwed as have 4d. Where if only had 2dc be ok especially when they take the extra tc into account that I recurve for ds3

waitingforgodot · 04/10/2010 16:50

when is this coming into effect?

SanctiMoanyArse · 04/10/2010 17:04

We've got the same issues RTB; private rent, nothing cheaper in catchment, 6ft walled garden, etc. Think tax credits are going to be part of universal credit aren't they? Which is where it falls down for us; we don;t tkae from unemployed pot (I don't beleive any carer truly does) but from low paid system but it all becomes one whether you don't care, are a carer, or low paid in work. Odd. And yes, 4 kids as well.

WRT this coming in, original reports said 2010 BUT DC himself said as mucha s poss by next eyar, GO said 2 years on TV today. 2 years might see us safe but that's no good for anyone else is it?

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roundthebend4 · 04/10/2010 17:11

I'm on waiting list for la housing but they admit less they start rebuilding they have nothing avaiable to meet our needs

I'm already roping up my rent and with the new cuts coming in will probably need to top up more on top of the cuts that I will be getting

Even in can mange the maths that my outgoings will rise sharply but my income will drop .And much as I would love to work it is just not a viable option for me and I've tried ob have I tried

SanctiMoanyArse · 04/10/2010 17:17

I know RTB Sad

And we're similar- am trying to find work, should be bringing in an income within two years but can find no possible way to expedite that. And only if DH takes a backseat and works from home, or we get a nanny (too many ££££ at first- maybe later on) as nowhere here offers childcare over 12.

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roundthebend4 · 04/10/2010 17:29

I'm fortunate that 2 years will take ds1 and only have one disabled out the equasion he has just started collage but will still be 3 dc and even now at 5 I can't find childcare option well I can but at £15 a hr going to need some wage .gave looked at night work leaving ds1 to babysit but with ds3 epilepsy etc that's a lit of responsablity for ds1 to deal with

Butguess just going to have to suck it up and get on with it I'm not prepared to up sticks and disrupt the dc and this house is about as perfect as it gets so will cut something back

SanctiMoanyArse · 04/10/2010 17:54

Start by emailing your MP RTB

I don;t think a lot of people have cottoned on thatc arers are affected due to the 'oh but not DLA' rhetoric (in fact Gergy said carers had DLA- er what? ) so you might get somewhere.

Besides we HAVE to- tehre's so many people emailing about the child benefit that if we're not careful as a group we'll be left off.

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SanctiMoanyArse · 04/10/2010 17:56

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