school special needs register question

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I am trying to get some stuff sorted in my Head before I go back to Headteacher/senco. Dd3 as far as I am aware, is not on the special needs register at school, she doesn't have an IEP but she is going to be seen by SALT in school to do social skills stuff. My understanding is [and plese correct me if I am wrong] that if outside agencies are going in to school she should be on school action plus. Is this only if the school have triggered the support? It was suggested to me to go down the GP referal route because academically Dd3 is doing well and school would not refer her.
The headteacher/senco is refusing to acknowledge that Dd3 has any difficulties and I need to get my facts right before I go to do battle with her again.
Hope someone can help.

School action: intervention managed by the school from within its own resources; school action plus: the above plus outside agency intervention resourced by school (or another agency). So I think technically the school could say as they didn't initiate the intervention by SALT she does not in their view have any SEN or need intervention for it. But I think most schools would count an intervention that happened in school time as being part of a strategy for addressing a pupil's SEN whether they had initiated it or not.

SA+ usually means that external services are involved. A child can be at SA+ without having SEN; but most do. It doesn't matter who triggered the support.

My DS (15)does not have an IEP - alledgedly the school didn't know what to put on it, because he doesn't have anything wrong! They did try to put one in place in June but I refused to sign it as it was cr@p. However, they applied for a statement in July, with some pressure from external agencies. It has got over the first hurdle.

You can apply for a parent assessment, but unless you have lots of evidence of the schools failure to meet/acknowledge your DD's needs you should be prepared that it may fail at the first hurdle, esp as it sounds as though your school won't support the application. You can appeal.

What do you think her difficulties are? What year group is she in?

Thanx niminy. I thought that was how it should be, I think my problem is that the Headteacher is IMO almost certainly hovering somewhere around the spectrum too, this means that she sees Dd3's issue such as Controlling behaviour, bluntness, lack of inhibitions, obsessive behaviour, reliance on routines etc etc mainly as strengths. In our last 2 meetings she has said as much. The trouble is that she herself has many of these issues but is a headteacher. She doesn't get why I think Dd3 has a problem. Also she doesn't have any children of her own so is completly unable to imagine what it is like to live with a child with these issue every day.
The only time she ever acknowledged Dd3's difficulties was when she started school and was absolutly terrified [to the point of vomitting] of the dining hall. But of course she put that down to being new and a soon as Dd3 stopped puking all over the carpet it was all forgotten.

minx179 Dd3 is nearly 8 and just gone into year 3. Someone we know suggseted going down the GP route because she has 2 boys with ASD and recognised some of the signs in Dd3, she told me to start the process early because it is so slow. She's not wrong we are 18 months in and apart from SALT who have been great, we haven't really moved forward at all, it maybe that we never get a dx but I am not prepared to let Dd3 slip through the net like Dd1 did.

Blimey that's a hard one. Looking on the bright side, I suppose you could say that it's good that she is seeing your dd positively. But as the mother of a ds with many of those issues, I'm with you on how hard they are to live with. But if you are going to apply for SA you can use her behaviour at home as evidence of her problems. We certainly did.

I would contact Parent Partnership and get them to come in to the meeting with the HT with you. It will make the head know how serious you are - and a lot of schools are scared of Parent Partnership and will put on a better show in front of them.

Yes Indigo I think Parent partnership might be my next point of call. I am waiting until after parents evening because I think I may have more evidence to take with me. A little bird told me that the information about Dd3's asessments may not have been passed on to her new teacher. If this is the case I am going to go nuclear. I feel a bit sorry for the new teacher because she is the innocent in this and she will probably take some of the flack but at the end of the day if I am not prepared to stand up for Dd3 then who will be. We have parents evening next week so I am trying to put together some stuff to take either to parent partnership or to school on my own. I really hope the information has been passed on but judging by a few things Dd3 has said I have a feeling it may not have been..
It took me a long time to settle Dd3 at the school and I really don't want to move her so I have to fight.

Try the GP route, but unless things have changed in the last 10 years, or it differs between LA's, in my experience, if it's not health related GP's are reluctant to refer onwards, because it's educational so school should refer.

Can you not get a referral to peadiatrics/CAMH with the view to getting an ADOS assessment thorugh your SALT?

If your waiting for appointments to come through, give them a bell, sometimes if you chivvy them along, pin them down to a waiting time you get an appointment quicker.

Hi minx Dd3 is already in the system, she has been seen several times by a community paed who was reluctant to give a dx because school aren't seeing a problem, she has been assessed by SALT and someone is going in to school to work with her.
The pead has now left the area so SALT referred Dd3 onto someone else, now I have found out [because I rang to chase them up] that that pead is retiring so Dd3 has to be referred on again. It is a massive joke. Mean time Dd3 is struggling with social stuff, not sleeping and obviously stressed. My main problem at the moment is getting the school to recognise that she needs support in some areas.
Thanx for the reply

I have emailed parent partnership anonomously [sp], briefly outlined the situation and asked if they would be able to help me.