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lisad123isgoingcrazy · 10/09/2010 11:57

is it standard to put how they would score amougst 100 children? :(

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StarlightMcKenzie · 10/09/2010 12:15

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lisad123isgoingcrazy · 10/09/2010 12:27

says things like: rigid play and lack of imagination.
Comprehension 12th Percentile
Expressive 5th Percentile = moderate language delay.
Thanks SLM, its been a tough week and cant believe DH crashed the car yesterday, I could just cry right now.

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lisad123isgoingcrazy · 10/09/2010 12:39

couldnt beleieve it when he called to tell me i could have cried but dont think i would have stopped. Its a write off too :(

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lisad123isgoingcrazy · 10/09/2010 12:40

Thanks SLM, I know she'll be ok but hate seeing it on paper, I guess i was still hoping I could pretend to myself I got t wrong and shes not got ASD and they'll tell me she NT at next appointment

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wasuup3000 · 10/09/2010 14:55

Sorry to hear about your Car! Starlight is right about the results with the right support and some work they will improve.

arses · 10/09/2010 15:55

Hi Lisad,

I'm a SALT.

In very precise terms, fifth centile means that 95% of children would do as well as or better than your daughter did on that assessment, in a similar testing situation. So it's not really strictly true to think of it as 'out of a hundred children x would do better', though this is a common misperception and something I didn't understand until I was at MSc level.

If it is a CELF result, there are some whizzy additional stats for children with ASD in the manual which means that these can be adjusted. Do you have subscores?

The way I use the CELF is to look at it in terms of processing.. so a lot of verbal kids with ASD type difficulties have discrete areas of strength e.g. they typically do better on some subtests, like recalling sentences, which looks at memory span and echoic ability than they do on others. There are also subtests they do poorly on that reflect their specific processing style vs 'understanding of language' per se.

I am generalising massively here, of course - massively - just wanting to point out that sometimes reports read a particular way and are not really reflective of the real-life communicative profile.

I will say, to my shame, that I used to write these horrendously wordy Doom doom doom reports and not really consider the massive impact they would have on a family. I can't quite believe how little I understood of the way it can come crashing in on you when something is not quite right with your flesh and blood.. and I would not write a report like that now before consulting carefully with the family on what they wanted from the report and having a conversation about whether they felt that what I saw in a test result matched their understanding of their child's difficulties.

Tests are a tool, but only a tool.. and though they are tremendously useful for 'high stakes' assessment (the kind that has the potential to relax purse strings), they're not really to be taken too seriously in the context of real life. They can be a window into some difficulties if they are interpreted skilfully and with a proper conversation with the people who really do communicate with that child on a day to day basis, but don't see your child reduced to numbers.

If you would like to ask anything further about the assessment that I might be able to help you with, please let me know.

TotalChaos · 10/09/2010 16:06

since arses and others have covered the other aspects so well, I shall restrict myself to virtual tea and sympathy. I am so sorry you and your family are having such a rotten time, it's truly shit and unfair, I only wish I could make things better for you.

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lisad123isgoingcrazy · 10/09/2010 20:32

thanks for tea and cake ladies. Thanks arses, we were given any sub scores but guess the specialist communications SALT will do those ones.
It also said "J has gaps in her understanding and a moderate expressive language delay" she also said she does not consistantly pass or fail the questions that a child with language delay would. She struggles with abstract thinking and anything that is in the future.
Oh well will just file it away with the rest of the reports :(

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woolytree · 10/09/2010 20:45

.....havent got my report yet but sounds very similar to what was said about DD at last assesment.

lisad123isgoingcrazy · 10/09/2010 21:04

has your DD got a Dx woolytree?

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woolytree · 10/09/2010 21:14

Only an initial one of ASD, due back next fri for further testing...DS (1) was being rather disruptive. Got 3/4 way through a S and L assesment they highlighted a delay, lack of understanding, struggles to construct sentences, learns by repetition....I think that stuff scared me more than the mention of ASD..Id prepared to hear that. A year ago we thought it was AS...but knew very little about Autism then.

moondog · 10/09/2010 21:21

Super post Arses and so beautifully put.
Lisa, as a fellow SALT I would recommend that you save that post and read from time to time.

lisad123isgoingcrazy · 10/09/2010 21:32

thanks will do :)
I didnt think she was that bad but tbh that report made me cry.

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TotalChaos · 10/09/2010 21:53

you just go into it think - oh maybe he/she is a wee bit behind, expecting them to say a 3-6 month delay, and then it ends up being a shock when it isn't as mild as that at all... but I do think it's enormously important as parents to know if there is any receptive language delay - as knowing there's a chance that your child needs more explanation, visual clues etc, is SOOO important to so many aspects of life.

lisad123isgoingcrazy · 10/09/2010 21:59

totally totalchaos, i think im pleased they did all this before she starts preschool next week, least they will know how to deal with her.

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