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Claw3 · 29/08/2010 09:04

I was due to receive panel's decision on 25th August and have now been told timescale is 5th October. Timescale has been broken for EP assessment and report which they are saying they could not do due to school closure (Lougle has already told me that they cannot do this and given me the relevant SEN COP) I will be writing to them but my questions are:-

Is a 'panel' qualified to make educational provision for a statement, without an EP assessment/report?

If EP report is not available, who and how would decide what provision is needed?

For example if all reports submitted by me recommended a high level of support, but are vague and not specific about what support is needed.

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Claw3 · 29/08/2010 15:56

So Wet, 'panel' is the case officer?

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Claw3 · 29/08/2010 15:59

Sorry keep x-posting!

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Claw3 · 29/08/2010 16:06

Wet, thanks, what i was worried about was pushing to get the date of 5th Oct changed, but then worrying that they then might not include EP recommendations if i pushed and whether i would be biting off my nose to spite my face kind of thing.

So i need to push for date to change and EP input?

Is EP's input vital?

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Claw3 · 29/08/2010 16:12

Sorry Sugar, i missed your post with the link, im typing while having to watch ds play on the wii!

Thanks will check it out and stop with my barrage of questions Smile

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Claw3 · 29/08/2010 16:40

Thanks very much Sugar, that has answered all my questions.

A report written by an EP in that way would definitely benefit ds and is needed if im honest.

I had the private EP done in December 2009 and at the time i didnt have a single report from anyone or a dx and it wasnt written with a statement in mind. I wasted a few hundred quid!

I know have lots of various different reports and a dx.

I know what LA will say too. EP could not seek advise from school or teacher as he changed schools on 24th June and was new to the school and they needed time to 'get to know ds and his difficulties' before giving their advice.

I suppose i will look like the unreasonable one, if i complain about timescales.

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WetAugust · 29/08/2010 18:49

Hi Claw

The EP's 'advice' is mandated, so it is vital. The LA must obtain it before they can proceed.

You can also submit your private EP report and ask it to be included in the Appendices.

What I meant was - there's no excuse to make you wait until Oct. The EP coudl be doing the report in the first week back.

Yes, the Case Officer is the one who has legal responsibility - although they try to pretend the decision has to be made by a 'panel'

wasuup3000 · 29/08/2010 20:22

As your Ds has ASD they will be looking for him having an uneven profile in the EP report.

wasuup3000 · 29/08/2010 20:24

So will probably do a general range of assessments which your private EP already has done. If they were looking for something else such as dyslexia they may do slightly different tests.

Claw3 · 29/08/2010 21:56

Wet, LA told me EP will go into school first week back to school to assess ds. I will phone on Tuesday to make sure this happens urgently and that i shouldnt have to wait until the 5th October as timescale has already been breached.

I just wasnt sure if i compalined about timescale being breached, whether they would then not seek EP advice, which i didnt want to happen. Now i know i need to push them to do both. Thanks for helping to clear it up for me.

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Claw3 · 29/08/2010 22:27

Thanks Wassup, well he certainly has an uneven profile. Private EP, he scored very highly in all the tests and had an advanced reading age and spelling age and she mentioned potentially 'gifted'.

Despite having an advanced reading age, specialist orthoptist has identified he has type ll oculomotor deficiencies, so his ability to follow lines in text to read or write was very inaccurate and made it very slow during tests.

So he will have an advanced reading age, all the while the text is still quite big, but will find it very difficult to read as it becomes smaller (text like this). Text often goes 'fuzzy' for him and he frequently rubs his eyes and pulls out his eyelashes. He refuses to write and can only manage small amounts (he has hypermobolity in his fingers, wrists, elbows etc)

He couldnt even move one of his eyes until about a year ago, so the fact he can even read, let alone have an advanced reading age is a feat in itself.

I could go on and on about his uneven profile and how things are never as they appear on the surface with him, but i will bore you to tears! Grin

Thanks so much for taking the time to reply.

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wasuup3000 · 29/08/2010 23:07

Yep My ds is on the gifted and talented for reading his EP tests ranged from the 1st percentile to the 99th...

Claw3 · 29/08/2010 23:33

Wassup, with ds he can read 'words' very well. He is 6, but he can read words like a much older child, but his understanding of what he has just read would be that of a much younger child.

It all gets so complicated doesnt it!

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wasuup3000 · 29/08/2010 23:42

It does, I keep trying to explain that to my ds's school as well that hes not actually getting the abstract stuff but it seems to go over their heads. Hes been reading fluently since 2 and can use the class computer better than his teacher can. He used to put passwords on the pre school one so the ladies there couldn't get on it.

Claw3 · 29/08/2010 23:57

LOL smart boy, his own personal computer in school that no one else can access, i like it Grin

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keepyourmouthshutox · 30/08/2010 02:46

WetAugust - don't the EP close down in the summer? MY ds's EP gave me the impression that she has the same hols as school.

Also thanks for the tip that it is the Education Officer who is responsible for what gets written into statement and recommended school.

Sorry Claw for hijacking but reading this thread with interest. I had my review end of June and it has been called an annual review by LEA, emergency review by school so I don't know which timeframe is applicable.

Claw3 · 30/08/2010 11:00

Not a hijack at all Keepyourmouth, glad this thread is of help to someone else.

Sorry i cant help, i dont know the timescale for reviews, im taking it one step at a time, but bumping for you.

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WetAugust · 30/08/2010 12:36

WetAugust - don't the EP close down in the summer? MY ds's EP gave me the impression that she has the same hols as school.

They are LEA employees, not school teachers so should continue to provide services in the holidays.

She may have negoiated a term-time only contract with the LA - but that shouldn't be your problem.

WetAugust · 30/08/2010 12:43

I can't link the doc as it's a PDF that I've downloaded to my computer but here's the relevant text:

Letter to Chief Education Officers / Directors of Childrens Services

from Ian Coates: Head of Special Educational Needs and Disabiilty Division, Dept for Education

Dated 15 Nov 2005

Last para:

Making Decisions

"Where a local Authority has established a panel to assist in deciding whether to assess, to make a Statement and / or in relation to provision, the local authority retains its responsibilities and therefore formal decisions must not (his underlining) be delegated but remain with an officer of the local authority."

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That's why I always say - ignore panels - the actual decision is the responsibility of the Case Officer within the LA and that's who you should hold accountable.

Claw3 · 30/08/2010 13:19

Wet can i ask for some assistance with the punch line to my letter please.

Dear x,

I am writing to you further to our telephone conversation of 27/8/10. You informed me I can expect to receive your decision on the 5th October, as ds changing schools on the 24th June and your requesting EP to attend school to assess ds on the first week back to school after the Summer holidays has affected the timescale.

I was expecting to be informed of your decision on 25th August based on the timescale below.

6 weeks to decide to assess. You agreed to assess on 2nd June.

10 weeks to make assessments.

2 weeks to inform me of decision. Which is the 25th August.

8 weeks to finalise.

I refer to Annexe A of the SEN COP as set out below, which lists reasons why the LA do not have to comply with the above timescales and none of them apply in this case.

Annexe A:

"12 (6) Subject to paragraph (7), where under sections 323(4) or 329A(7) an authority have given notice to the child?s parent of their decision to make an assessment they shall complete that assessment within 10 weeks of the date on which such notice was given.
(7) An authority need not comply with the time limit referred to in paragraph (6) if it is impractical to do so because-
(a) in exceptional cases after receiving the advice sought under regulation 7 it is necessary for the authority to seek further advice;
(b) the child?s parent has indicated to the authority that he wishes to provide advice to the authority after the expiry of 6 weeks from the date of on which a request for such advice under regulation 7(1)(a) was received, and the authority have agreed to consider such advice before completing the assessment;
(c) the authority have requested advice from the head teacher of a school under regulation 7(1)(b) during a period beginning 1 week before any date on which that school was closed for a continuous period of not less than 4 weeks from that date and ending 1 week before the date on which it re-opens;
(d) the authority have requested advice from the head of SEN in relation to or other person responsible for a child?s education at an early education provider under regulation 7(1)(b) during a period beginning 1 week before any date on which that early education provider was closed for a continuous period of not less than 4 weeks from that date and ending 1 week before the date on which it re-opens;
(e) the authority have requested advice from a health authority or a social services authority under regulation 7(1)(c) or (e) respectively and the health authority or the social services authority have not complied with that request within 6 weeks from the date on which it was made;
(f) exceptional personal circumstances affect the child or his parent during the 10 week period referred to in paragraph (6);
(g) the child or his parent are absent from the area of the authority for a continuous period of not less than 4 weeks during the 10 week period referred to in paragraph (6)

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Claw3 · 30/08/2010 14:08

I am writing to you further to our telephone conversation of 27/8/10. You informed me I can expect to receive your decision on the 5th October, as ds changing schools on the 24th June and your requesting EP to attend school to assess ds on the first week back to school after the Summer holidays has affected the timescale.

I was expecting to be informed of your decision on 25th August based on the timescale below.

6 weeks to decide to assess. You agreed to assess on X.

10 weeks to make assessments. Which X.

2 weeks to inform me of decision. Which is X.

8 weeks to finalise. Which is X.

You have had 12 weeks in which to arrange for EP to assess Ds. Ds could have been assessed at home during the Summer holidays, or in the 7 weeks prior to the Summer Holidays.

I refer to Annexe A of the SEN COP as set out below, which lists exceptions why the LA do not have to comply with the above timescales and none of them apply in this case.

Annexe A:

^"12 (6) Subject to paragraph (7), where under sections 323(4) or 329A(7) an authority have given notice to the child?s parent of their decision to make an assessment they shall complete that assessment within 10 weeks of the date on which such notice was given.
(7) An authority need not comply with the time limit referred to in paragraph (6) if it is impractical to do so because-
(a) in exceptional cases after receiving the advice sought under regulation 7 it is necessary for the authority to seek further advice;
(b) the child?s parent has indicated to the authority that he wishes to provide advice to the authority after the expiry of 6 weeks from the date of on which a request for such advice under regulation 7(1)(a) was received, and the authority have agreed to consider such advice before completing the assessment;
(c) the authority have requested advice from the head teacher of a school under regulation 7(1)(b) during a period beginning 1 week before any date on which that school was closed for a continuous period of not less than 4 weeks from that date and ending 1 week before the date on which it re-opens;
(d) the authority have requested advice from the head of SEN in relation to or other person responsible for a child?s education at an early education provider under regulation 7(1)(b) during a period beginning 1 week before any date on which that early education provider was closed for a continuous period of not less than 4 weeks from that date and ending 1 week before the date on which it re-opens;
(e) the authority have requested advice from a health authority or a social services authority under regulation 7(1)(c) or (e) respectively and the health authority or the social services authority have not complied with that request within 6 weeks from the date on which it was made;
(f) exceptional personal circumstances affect the child or his parent during the 10 week period referred to in paragraph (6);
(g) the child or his parent are absent from the area of the authority for a continuous period of not less than 4 weeks during the 10 week period referred to in paragraph (6)^

As the timescale has already been breached, could you please endeavor to complete the process as quickly as possible and ensure that the remainder of the timescale is adhered to as per SEN COP.

?7:93 LEAs should always strive to ensure that any delay arising from the exceptions is kept to a minimum. As soon as the conditions that have led to an exception no longer apply, the LEA should endeavor to complete the process as quickly as possible. Any remaining components of the process must, of course, be completed within their prescribed periods, regardless of whether exceptions have delayed earlier components."

How does that sound?

Am i making it clear what i want them to do?

Do i need to quote relevant SEN COP or can i just refer to it to keep letter shorter?

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Claw3 · 30/08/2010 14:18

Also I dont want them not to wait for EP advice, if i push them on timescales is this likely to or can it happen?

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WetAugust · 30/08/2010 14:34

Claw

They must wait for EP Advice.

Try this:

I am writing to you further to our telephone conversation of 27/8/10 during which you informed me your failure to obtain EP Advice means the Decision will now be delayed to the 5th October.

The EP has now had 12 weeks in which to make the assessment. Ds could have been assessed at home during the Summer holidays, or in the 7 weeks prior to the Summer Holidays.

The EP is now scheduled to attend school to assess ds on the first week back to school.

I expect the EP's report to be provided within x days of the assessment at which time all the necessary advice will have been received by you.

I therefore see no reason why you have chosen to delay the Decision until 5 Oct 10.

As the named Offier with legal responsibility for the actual Decision, I expect you to make the Decision as soon as you are in receipt of the EP's advice, without further unnecessary delay.

Yours etc

Claw.

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I woudln't bother quoting the actual SENCOP - they already know it.

Claw3 · 30/08/2010 14:49

Thanks Wet, that sounds much better, to the point and more assertive.

What is a reasonable amount time for EP to prepare a report, a week from the date of her visit?

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WetAugust · 30/08/2010 15:27

A week should be plenty. I doubt it'll be more than 2 sheets of A4.

I'd ask them to include your private EP's report - but only if you think it would work in your favour.

Claw3 · 30/08/2010 15:42

I included my private EP report in my parental contribution, even though it mentioned 'gifted' as it backed my application that ds's difficulties were complex and difficult to understand. Although im sure the LA will try to use it against me.

A few reports, including the one that the LA's EP was part of, critise the private EP for not being a true reflection of ds's functional ability.

Im fairly confident that it will work in my favour. I hope it doesnt backfire on me!

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