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Claw3 · 27/08/2010 12:27

LA agreed to assess in writing, letter dated 2nd June, i was expecting draft Statement (or not) on 25th August.

Just phoned LA and have been told deadline is 5th October and i will receive it then.

Is this right?

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Claw3 · 27/08/2010 18:50

Lougle, deadline for receiving info was 14th July. Which is why im surprised they are now seeking EP assessment.

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Claw3 · 27/08/2010 18:56

Lougle - My deadline for providing parental contribution was 14th July, i assume this deadline would apply to them as well?

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silverfrog · 27/08/2010 19:04

Yes, everyone has the same deadline for initial advice to be in.

you can submit your advice saying you are waiting on a report, though, and I know that LA's try to be flexible at their end too - ie "oh yes, the observation is done, we are just waiting on the report [which no-one chases up]"

you are in a very similar position to the one I was in - EP waited until about 3 days before advice due in to tell me he wasn't going to do a proper observation of dd1 (despite assuring us he woudl do a full obs, plus home visit)

once I knew this, I dropped him in it with Case Officer (who said she didn't know this was what he was doing, and did sound genuine, to be fair), and then of course, we were within a week of end of term, and had to wait out the school holidays, etc etc.

I made a huge fuss, because if EP had actually done what he was asked to within correct timeframe, like the rest of us, there would have been no need for delay.

Agree with Lougle - ask for the timeline breakdown, and put them on the spot as to why timeline has been broken.

Claw3 · 27/08/2010 19:15

When i made phone call today, i wasnt really prepared, i was just expecting "its in the post"

I told her i was expecting response on 25th August. She told me no, 5th October. I told her they had agreed to assess on 2nd June and 12 weeks from that date is 25th.

She then said, no its 18 weeks and EP is going into school to assess during first week back, due to school hols and ds changing schools.

Which is rubbish now i think about it. They agreed to assess on 2nd June. Ds was off of school from 15th June and started new school on 24th June.

Can they ask for assessment to start after the 14th July deadline?

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Claw3 · 27/08/2010 19:16

Bloody hell, these people certainly keep you on your toes dont they!

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Claw3 · 27/08/2010 19:24

Also have an email from LA informing me that change of school will not affect the SA process.

and letter from LA dated 30th July, telling me papers had been passed to case officer. "The papers will now be considered and submitted to SA assessment panel. Once a decision is reached the case officer will inform you of the Authority's views on ds's SEN"

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Lougle · 27/08/2010 19:26

It is NOT 18 weeks. It is

6 weeks to decide to assess
10 weeks to make assessment
2 weeks to draft statement, inform you of decision and give you a copy of the proposed statement
8 weeks for consultation with you regarding proposed statement and finalising of statement.

There is NO 18 week period anywhere. Kick up a fuss. Tomorrow.

Claw3 · 27/08/2010 19:41

Thanks Lougle will get back onto them and kick up a fuss.

I knew the timescale, but first thought she had included the 6 weeks to decided to assess, which is why i told her they had agreed on 2nd June.

She then said it was due to school hols and ds being off of school for about a week changing schools.

School advise was in by the 14th July. She is saying they want an EP assessment, but could not due to school closure.

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Claw3 · 27/08/2010 19:52

Lougle, does the SEN COP mention breaches to obtain assessments due to summer hols.

I will have a google myself, but know you are the queen of SEN COP Smile

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Lougle · 27/08/2010 20:47

"7:74 After deciding to make a statutory assessment the LEA must seek parental, educational,
medical, psychological and social services advice. They must also seek any other advice
they consider appropriate53 and, where reasonable, should consult those whom the
parents have named. They should do so immediately and should ask all concerned to
respond within six weeks
."

"7:93 LEAs should always strive to ensure that any delay arising from the exceptions is kept to
a minimum. As soon as the conditions that have led to an exception no longer apply, the
LEA should endeavour to complete the process as quickly as possible. Any remaining
components of the process must, of course, be completed within their prescribed
periods, regardless of whether exceptions have delayed earlier components."

"7:28 At the same time, the LEA must notify the educational psychology service, the designated

Annexe A:

"12 (6) Subject to paragraph (7), where under sections 323(4) or 329A(7) an authority have given notice to the child?s parent of their decision to make an assessment they shall complete that assessment within 10 weeks of the date on which such notice was given.
(7) An authority need not comply with the time limit referred to in paragraph (6) if it is impractical to do so because-
(a) in exceptional cases after receiving the advice sought under regulation 7 it is necessary for the authority to seek further advice;
(b) the child?s parent has indicated to the authority that he wishes to provide advice to the authority after the expiry of 6 weeks from the date of on which a request for such advice under regulation 7(1)(a) was received, and the authority have agreed to consider such advice before completing the assessment;

(c) the authority have requested advice from the head teacher of a school under regulation 7(1)(b) during a period beginning 1 week before any date on which that school was closed for a continuous period of not less than 4 weeks from that date and ending 1 week before the date on which it re-opens;
(d) the authority have requested advice from the head of SEN in relation to or other person responsible for a child?s education at an early education provider under regulation 7(1)(b) during a period beginning 1 week before any date on which that early education provider was closed for a continuous period of not less than 4 weeks from that date and ending 1 week before the date on which it re-opens;
(e) the authority have requested advice from a health authority or a social services authority under regulation 7(1)(c) or (e) respectively and the health authority or the social services authority have not complied with that request within 6 weeks from the date on which it was made;
(f) exceptional personal circumstances affect the child or his parent during the 10 week period referred to in paragraph (6);
(g) the child or his parent are absent from the area of the authority for a continuous period of not less than 4 weeks during the 10 week period referred to in paragraph (6)
"

Sorry for the delay, Annexe A is not able to copy and paste, so I had to type it!!

As you can see, they can't delay for the Ed Psych. There was nothing to stop them assessing at home, or in the 7 weeks prior to the Summer Holidays!!
officers of the Social Services department and the health authority and any other agencies
that might later be asked for advice. They will thus be ?on notice? so that if a decision is
later made to carry out an assessment they will be able to provide advice to the LEA
within the prescribed time limits."

"7:86 Having received all the advice, the LEA must decide whether it needs to make a
statement or amend an existing statement. It must make that decision within ten weeks
of serving the notice under section 323(4) or 329A(7).
7:87 If the LEA decides that a statement or amended statement is necessary, it must draft a
proposed statement or proposed amended statement and send a copy to the child?s
parents within two weeks. The advice received as part of the assessment should be
attached. It is also good practice to send a copy of the draft to those who gave advice;
it would then be possible to amend any misconceptions that have arisen in interpreting
the advice, prior to finalising the statement.
7:88 If the LEA decides that a statement or an amended statement is not necessary, it must
notify the parents and give reasons, and should also notify the school of that decision,
giving the reasons, and preferably provide a note in lieu of the statement, also within two
weeks. The period from the service of the notice under section 323(4) or 329A(7) to the
issue of a proposed statement or a note in lieu of a statement should therefore normally
be no more than 12 weeks.
7:89 The LEA should receive all the necessary advice within six weeks of the issue of the
notice under section 323(4) or 329A(7), although the guidance sets out a maximum time
span of ten weeks. The LEA must therefore decide whether to make a statement by the
end of the ten weeks; and send parents a proposed statement or the written reasons why
it will not make a statement, preferably in the form of a note in lieu, within a further two
weeks. Further guidance on writing a note in lieu is to be found at paragraph 8.15.
7:90 The critical point is that parents must normally receive written notification of the outcome
of the assessment within 12 weeks of the start of the statutory assessment. Where the
LEA decides not to assess, parents must be informed of their right to appeal to the SEN
Tribunal, the time limits for lodging an appeal, the availability of parent partnership and
disagreement resolution services and that using disagreement resolution will not affect the
parent?s right of appeal.

Claw3 · 27/08/2010 20:56

Wow Lougle you are a angel!

I have the SEN COP open at the moment and have been trying to find any relevant bits since my last postConfusedDP and ds have gone to visit nan and i was frantically trying to make the most of my time!

Thank you so much for taking the time to type it. I owe you one Smile

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Lougle · 27/08/2010 20:59

I just hope you can use it to beat them into action, Claw. You don't owe me anything Smile

Lougle · 27/08/2010 21:00

BTW, you should use the online version - it's searchable.

Claw3 · 27/08/2010 21:18

Thank you so much again Lougle.

I was feeling quite disheartened about having to wait until October, you have really cheered me up!

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Claw3 · 27/08/2010 21:22

Shame i will have to wait unto Tuesday to beat them into submission! I feel an email coming on.

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Claw3 · 28/08/2010 22:56

Sorry guys, one more question please.

After Lougle's brilliant advice, i can now write to the LA as they are clearly not complying with the timescales.

I have to wait until Tuesday to do this, but i was wondering if i would be cutting off my nose to spite my face kind of thing?

The private EP report i had done recommended a high level of 1:1 support, but didnt specific exactly what support.

Can the LA make provisions without a EP's recommendations, if i do push for timescale to be followed, this might mean EP could not assess ds.

Or do they have to consult an EP anyway, with or without an assessment as to what help is needed in a statement?

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silverfrog · 29/08/2010 07:53

I think LA will do whatever it wants to do...

However, you should still definitely complain, and get the paper trail showing the LA is inthe wrong - if you end up going tribunal wards, it might be useful to show history of incompetence (although I wad always advised that tribunal n
ot interested in that)

I think unlikely, since you are now out of timeline anyway, that LA won't wait for EP advice. They can always say they ate waiting for next panel meet to discuss your ds anyway, so have the time to wait, iyswim?

There is no way I'd let an opportunity like this pass by for me to vent some rage (politely and frostily of course!) at the LA Grin

Claw3 · 29/08/2010 08:32

Thanks Silver, i have draft letter here and can hand deliver to LA (their office is just 2 minutes away) and you are quite right, i need to think ahead and continue my paper trail.

I suppose what im getting at, is a 'panel' qualified to make educational provision for a statement, without an EP?

If EP advice/report is not available, who and how would decide what provision is needed?

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