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SparkleRainbow · 13/08/2010 17:12

I thought I would start a thread to see how many of you are out there, fighting the battles I am fighting. I have EDS myself, had genetic counselling and even though mine is quite severe I was told no problems with having children. I have three dc, the eldest my ds is the only one believed to have inherited it. He was diagnosed by Prof Grahame at 19 months, and has always had pain, but it wasn't until September last year that he dislocated vertebrae in his neck C2 and C3 by turning his head to talk to me. He has been in recovery ever since. In the last 11 months he has dislocated or subluxated his neck twice, his knee cap three times, his left shoulder three time and the fingers of his left hand once. He has missed so much school, he is in pain almost constantly, he has a health plan and risk assessment to be in school, he is depressed and frightened and he doesn't know at all how serious his neck problem is. I am constantly fighting with some of the Consultants, and school, but there are also some wonderful people too. I would love to hear others stories, very selfishly to know I am not alone and neither is my precious ds.

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SparkleRainbow · 04/10/2010 13:15

I am so glad you are at home now, have you got some strong enough painkillers? I hope you are going to be getting physio when you reach the point of being able to weight bear again.

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roundthebend4 · 04/10/2010 15:45

Have some sparkle but really do not like taking to much am trying to mange on the paracetmol and diffofenic though there making me queasy do have codeine if need them but trying not to take regular

Am weight bearing already they like you asap though using crutches but I'm pooped manged get kids fed dressed of this morning have vacumed the house done dishes and put some washing and some
d away .HVe just picked up dd the normal 7/8 minute walk eCh way never seemed so long uphill going to

Am sat down resting till ds3 ds1ds2 home am wiped will never take walking for granted again or even Bering able to stand sit without pain
but still need do dinner sort lunches for the morning baths storys and beds feel guilty not able do much with the dc and mega dose that I given this to ds3 he lives with this every day never known anything else

roundthebend4 · 04/10/2010 15:46

Have follow up in 3weeks or so no physio as of yet

ariane5 · 04/10/2010 22:25

rtb4 glad you are home hope things start to improve and that you arnt in as much pain.

sparkle- hope you sorted bank cards out ! that can be a real pain when it happens!

Had a busy day today am absolutely exhausted and aching everywhere, had so much to do trying to organise stuff for ds appt at gosh on wed.luckily my mum will be having dd1 for me from wed morn till fri eve so that i dont have to get ds up early thu or fri morn for the school run as i have a feeling its going to really make him groggy for couple days having ga as hes such a sensitive little thing.my sister also coming with me so that she can hold baby for me as i want to be able to concentrate on ds.am so nervous i know its just a scan but worry about the ga and then the results.

am off to bed now as if i stay up any longer iam going to eat my body weight in sugar (just finished a whole BIG bag of minstrels and had a big slice of carrot cake-i eat a lot when stressed)!

roundthebend4 · 05/10/2010 08:47

Good luck today Ariane be thinking of you

be intresting to see what MRI shows I had one done of my hip and it showed very marked thicking of the main ligament connecting the hip and running down my leg also showed high frequency signals bounce back instead of the more normal low frequency.Which is indication of severe joint laxity and regular truama to the hip

Worth you googling snapping hip which is something that our dc and ourselves likely to suffer from might explain so
e of the snap crackle and pops we get

SparkleRainbow · 05/10/2010 14:20

I will do that in a minute, dodgy hips in this house too.

Got ds's clinical psychology appointment through today, it is in half term, but with a trainee......why oh why! I have rung up to ask to speak to a manager to try and find out what experience (if any) this person has, and what she thinks she is going to do with my lovely ds. I have contacted another private counselling service, who specialise in children with life threatening and life altering disablities, and they are happy to take him on, there is a waiting list though. Found out today that Disability Discrimination Act has been replaced as of 1st October by Equality Act 2010 - this is what covers my ds at school, but they say they want to out him on the special needs register.....find this baffling what targets so they think they are going to give him, not to die in school, not to fall and waste everyoe's time with emergency trips to a and e?! Got to laugh at them or may cry! Grin Sad

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roundthebend4 · 05/10/2010 15:42

Being on the register might be a good thing means there recognising they need to make adjustments for him in school

Targets could be to do ... Physio or try something but make sure your involved with setting any goals so they are realstic

Ds is on it and fully statemented yes he has other issues going on but his speech unit is applying fit extra finding to take into account his pd

roundthebend4 · 05/10/2010 15:52

So far ds seems to be unaffected by it all though when was in ms previously he was notcing the differance between him and his classmates now hrs in small group of 8 it's not so bad

SparkleRainbow · 05/10/2010 20:14

He sat and sobbed over his homework tonight, saying it was too hard for him, it wasn't, but he is just feeling everything is too hard, fairly typical depression I would say. There are some hyper-competative children in his class, and he just isn't like that, but "just do you best and mummy will be proud" just doesn't seem to cut it for him. I hear what you are saying about the IEP, but they can't aren't going to do anything physical with him, they are too scared and out of their depth, so physio is out, apart from trying to address his depression and isolation I am really not sure what they can on for targets, I was being flippant earlier, but that is what it pretty much comes down to. I think they want to put him on to either bump up LA targets for children on the SEN register, because they don't know what else to do to record it, or because they have an alterior motive to start a statement procedure to try and get money as they desperately need it, and school funding is drying up. God I am so sorry I sound so cynical about it, and I readily acknowledge that it isn't a big deal really, apart from the fact it is a big deal to a parent when someone tells them that their beautiful precious baby is not "normal", and I know I know that already but.... Oh god just shut me up.

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roundthebend4 · 05/10/2010 20:38

Ariane hope today has gone ok and your all back home

no it is a shock and watching the gap widen is hard .Im fortunate ds does not have homework his unit feel that the dc work hard enough at school and then all dc in unit have long journeys to.Think it is easier for me as there are less pressure on ds3 and he is not feeling like has to compete with other dc in unit

hmm how would you feel about a statement especially if he is struggling with handwriting etc as might be way towards a lap top

SparkleRainbow · 05/10/2010 21:39

That is true, handwriting is a major issue for him it was having to write out his spellings on a sheet that set off his distress this afternoon. I just don't know what is best.

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MrsVictorUbogu · 05/10/2010 23:51

Hi everyone....I haven't posted on this thread since the beginning, but have been following it (3 DC with BJHMS, 2 also have speech delay)

I found out recently that DS has been diagnosed with Developmental Co-ordination Disorder. But NO-ONE told me. It was diagnosed in 2008, so since then he has been since by 2 physios plus a trainee physio, 3 paeds, 2 OTs, 2 SALT and a specialist SALT, SS, GP, A&E, OOH GP, Opthomologist, Orthopaedic chap, numerous hydrotherapists, pain clinic, and someone else whose title I can't remember. And none of them thought to tell me. I am absolutely furious. It has been like a kick in the teeth to find he has another problem. I feel like you SparkleRainbow, he is my precious baby, and I feel they were being inconsiderate by not letting me know. I'm also wondering if there are any more little gems they doctors have kept to themselves.

And, today we got out some old video footage of when the kids were little to show them. (DD1 and DS have the hypermobility the worst) DD2 is sitting up unsupported on Christmas morning, pulling open presents, holding toys, putting them in her mouth, pulling to stand, etc, all the usual baby things all aged 6 months.

DD1 at 6 months is not quite so developed, but still sitting with minimum support, waving her arms, kicking her legs, holding toys, turning her head to look round, etc.

DS at the same age is lying in a reclining chair as he couldn't sit upright even if supported, hardly moving his arms and legs and when he does it is in very jerky movements. He cannot support his own head, can't turn to look at sounds, is having trouble grasping rattles I am trying to give him, and he can't get them any where near his mouth. In the next clip I am feeding him. He is having youghurt and fruit puree, he is having trouble keeping it in his mouth, let alone swallowing any. Then in the next clip he is lying on the changing mat, not really moving, just a few jerky arm movements. Sad Sad Sad
He was also born at 36 weeks, so technically premature and I think it shows, and had jaundice but had no extra treatment or checks which I found surprising.

I got very upset seeing the difference between the children, DS is the youngest and the worst affected, and I knew something was not quite right. But what is really upsetting me is the fact that I took him to HV, GP, paed, etc. asking for help, telling them there was something wrong, but I just got told I was being neurotic. The bastards professionals must have noticed he was so behind in his development. He missed every single milestone . And, of course he had no treatment until he was four. I wonder if he would be further along now if he had of received physio/hydro/something earlier on.

DS is nearly seven now, and still has trouble sitting up, he needs cushions to prop him up, and even then he just falls off chairs and slithers of the settee. Stools are a big no-no. The children have all started guitar lessons recently, and DS is really struggling with keeping himself on the chair and concentrating on the guitar. I am going to ask his OT if there is anything she can suggest, maybe another chair I can buy him or something. Have you ladies got any ideas maybe? He has a Tripp Trapp type chair I bought him, so his feet are supported, and some non-slip mat on his lap to keep the guitar up, but, I am not sure what else I can do.

Sorry for such a long, depressing post, just needed to get all that out!

roundthebend4 · 06/10/2010 03:42

Hi ds 3 who is 5 has a star chair provided by Ot though as it's at home it's ss Ot from the children with disablity team and yep ds another one who missed all his milestones yet took till he was 2 before seen by paed

SparkleRainbow · 06/10/2010 18:12

So is there a link between Developmental Co-ordination Disorder and EDS? It is well documented that kinesthetic awareness can be poor, but is this different? What a bunch of sanctamonious ..... for not sharing a diagnosis with his parents, sometimes I wonder if they actually think of our dc as human beings at all. No I will re-phrase that I am absolutely convinced that they don't think of them as human beings at all, never mind that we as their parents and only adocates should have an interest in their development and dx.

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SparkleRainbow · 06/10/2010 19:35

.... sorry

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SparkleRainbow · 06/10/2010 19:39

MrsVictorUbogu how old is your ds now, I think you might have told me before but I have forgotten, sorry Blush It really brings it home watching them compared to their siblings, my ds is my oldest and his sister 2 years younger has been able to do many things much better than he can for some time. It is really only now that he notices, and he is so lovely about it, praises her and builds her up all the time. Sad

How have you got on Ariane?

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ariane5 · 07/10/2010 10:36

mri went ok wont get results till mon. ds fine with ga but they kept him there bit longer just in case, glad its done now just nervous about results.

roundthebend4 · 07/10/2010 10:53

glad he is ok Araine was it his back there looking at ?

ariane5 · 07/10/2010 13:09

yes lumbar and thoracic area it said on the letter, because of the pain he keeps getting and because when they examined him it was so so hypermobile and the vertebrae seemed to be slipping around a bit making it look like scoliosis but they said it wasnt that. i think they just want to firstly exclude anything nasty as they wernt happy that a 3 year old has been getting that level of pain.they said if it comes back ok then they can just put it down to the eds and try to help him with physio,pain management etc.

SparkleRainbow · 07/10/2010 13:58

I have everything crossed for you, I am so glad he came through it all well. How are you bearing up? Do you have to go back to gosh for the results or are they ringing you?

Think school are up to something trying to alter ds's risk assessment, only just approved by Consultants.... nothing official yet but kind of feel here we go again, next battle.

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ariane5 · 07/10/2010 15:28

they said they will be reviewing the mri mon and will phone me and i assume let me know over phone or book appt to tell me am nt sure, theyve already sent me appts for rheumatology in nov and physio and x ray in feb so i think even before the mri was done they are expecting it to all be put down to the eds but at least they might have a better idea of how his back is affected after seeing the scan.

iam so relieved its done now i was really worried about the ga, it was a bit worrying after as hekept getting bad stomach pains but is fine now.

hope everything goes ok with your ds school why do they want to change the risk assessment?

SparkleRainbow · 07/10/2010 16:31

Money I think, if he has a fall then it takes time to sort him out, and if I can't get there to go with him to hospital (this has only happened once and I met them at the hopsital) then they want the cheapest most expendable person to go with him, not the best and most experienced person. ever just feel like giving up!?

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SparkleRainbow · 07/10/2010 16:33

I guess what ever the outcome of the mri, rheumatology and physio were most likely to need to be involved anyway. Have they spoken to you about any other options for dx other than eds, or are you "flying blind"?

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ariane5 · 07/10/2010 17:11

all theyve said is that they think the severe back pain is due to eds but that they dont want to assume that and miss anything else, whatever 'anything else' could mean they havnt told me, i think they just want to have a good look at ds spine as they found examining him hard as hes so hypermobile and he gets so much pain. mon isnt far but feels a long way off when waiting for results

SparkleRainbow · 07/10/2010 17:18

Yes it does, how are you feeling, how are your wrists?

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