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Daughter age 13 with autism (PDA) wanting to move schools.

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Whatliesbeneath707 · 06/06/2021 07:50

Hi everyone, just looking for some advice. Dd seemed to settle into secondary school fine & had lots of friends in year 7. Then we had lockdown & we saw how much she struggled getting her work done. Since going back to school after lockdown, she is saying that the kids in her class are distracting her & she can’t concentrate. We believe her on this and there are several children in her class with additional needs so I can see that she will be easily distracted. She is now also saying she has no friends at school & now hates going. She is very black & white with things so I imagine she can easily fall out with friends. We have spoken to her teacher who has really tried by sitting her next to good/quiet students etc.
We are undecided about moving schools as the others nearby are much bigger & im concerned she will “get lost” there but equally I hate to think she has no friends. I am also conscious that the same things could happen at a new school as the problem is with my dd. We talk about friendships & how to be a good friend & what that involves etc. I’m also really concerned about her lack of motivation as she does not seem interested in much - no hobbies etc. She has got ability but no motivation (eg, never finishes a book etc). I’m concerned about this as she moves into year 9 in September.
Any advice folks?
Thanks.

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Ellie56 · 06/06/2021 12:50

Does she have an EHCP?

Whatliesbeneath707 · 06/06/2021 12:59

@Ellie56 no she doesn’t unfortunately. We had to go privately to get a diagnosis and then was told by school that her needs did not warrant a EHCP.

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10brokengreenbottles · 06/06/2021 14:30

Ignore the school and make a parental EHCNA request. The threshold for assessment is a) has or may have SEN, and b) may need SEN provision to be made via an EHCP.

Ellie56 · 06/06/2021 14:51

The school doesn't decide whether or not her needs warrant an EHCP. That is a decision for the LA.

The only lawful criteria for assessment is that cited by 10brokengreenbottles above. Any other criteria like being so many years behind, school spending £6000 first or anything else is unlawful.

Make an application yourself using the model letter here:

www.ipsea.org.uk/ehc-needs-assessments

sprongle1 · 06/06/2021 20:53

Agree with @10brokengreenbottles and @Ellie56

If she has PDA, she is highly likely to need an EHCP.

Whatliesbeneath707 · 06/06/2021 23:17

Thanks everyone. That’s really interesting as the school SENCO at primary school said her needs weren’t enough to warrant an EHCP.
If we did get an EHCP what would this enable us to do in this situation? How would it help please? It would be useful to know as we approach other schools.
Thank you.

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sprongle1 · 08/06/2021 14:43

Personally, I would do a parental application. This starts the 20 week timescale and school will be asked for their opinions in the assessment period. There is a model letter on the IPSEA website you can adapt. Include any diagnosis letters/reports and any EP/SALT/OT etc advice/supporting info with your application.
www.ipsea.org.uk/making-a-request-for-an-ehc-needs-assessment

If you get an EHCP it means that your child will get additional support. Specifically for PDA, in our section F (the support section) my child has things like
All staff will be familiar with her trigger points and to avoid anxiety-raising situations likely to stoke anxiety or agitation, such as a count-down to finishing work, or corporate consequences
Teaching staff will receive training on the low arousal approach
When very anxious, strategies for PDA/anxiety-based avoidance will be used, rather than assuming avoidance is a choice.
Staff will use low-arousal techniques.
Staff will give choices.
Staff will use of negotiation.
Adults should give calm measured responses in confrontational situations

There are a number of other recommendations not specifically PDA related that mean that my daughter needs small classes, academically able peer group inc girls

The LA have placed her in independent mainstream school but she could also have got a specialist school with her EHCP.

Your daughter may be OK in mainstream with support but PDA children often fiercely oppose looking different and my daughter would have only coped in mainstream with a full time TA and coming out of class A LOT.

The PDA society have a lot to say about types of schools good for PDA. I have to be honest, the mention of PDA is going to put some schools off, but if it does, perhaps you don't want her there?!

Have you got a school in mind? An EHCP will take about 5 months min and, if you have to appeal for a specific school, could easily take a year so its worth applying now if you want her settled for year 9 and 10.

10brokengreenbottles · 08/06/2021 14:59

What is included in EHCPs depends on specific needs, but it could include OT, SALT, social skills support, ELSA, 1:1, MH therapies/therapeutic intervention.

As Sprongle posted, it also means you can name special schools, mainstream independents or oversubscribed state mainstreams and there are limited reasons the LA can refuse your preferred school.

The EHCNA alone is useful in highlighting needs as it can include Ed Psych, SALT, OT, clinical psychologist etc. assessments. For both of my DC with EHCPs the needs assessment highlighted unknown needs.

sprongle1 · 08/06/2021 15:36

Agree with @10brokengreenbottles re the assessments highlighting needs you might not realise are there, especially if you push for OT/SALT assessments or do your own privately alongside and submit them.

We had unknown OT needs identified alongside known needs

My daughter gets 1:1 or small group support for English and Maths plus counselling for anxiety/trauma paid for weekly as well.

Whatliesbeneath707 · 09/06/2021 07:37

Thanks so much @sprongle1 @10brokengreenbottles @Ellie56
I feel like we’ve been struggling but we should have done the EHCP. Feels like we were mislead by the school! Thanks for all your help.

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