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What happens if the SEN schools have no places?

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PineapplesPumpkins · 03/06/2021 10:06

DS has an EHCP in progress; no school has been named yet but based on all of the reports submitted during assessment , a SEN secondary school is likely to be a suggestion.

However, the only suitable SEN school in our area is full; there are no places. The other SEN schools out of area are also not suitable.

DS could potentially try our chosen mainstream with full support but my instincts say he needs SEN provision and we are likely to end up with him refusing to go to the MS as it’s so large (all the MS in area are the same size). He is academically able but he is going to struggle hugely in a MS environment.

If MS isn’t suitable and the SEN school is full, what happens? Confused

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10brokengreenbottles · 03/06/2021 11:09

The LA must name your preference unless they can prove one of the following apply:

  • The setting is unsuitable for the age, ability, aptitude or special educational needs (“SEN”) of the child or young person; or
  • The attendance of the child or young person would be incompatible with the provision of efficient education for others; or
  • The attendance of the child or young person would be incompatible with the efficient use of resources.

Being 'full' isn't enough of a reason on its own to refuse admission, the LA have to prove they are so full placing DS there is incompatible.

If the only reason DS wouldn't cope in MS with support is the size of the secondaries is there a smaller supportive independent MS within travelling distance? Also, have you looked at any independent SS within travelling distance and would residential work? For secondary up to 1hr15 is considered reasonable travel time. If you start discussing expensive independents you may find the LA suddenly have a space at their SS.

Once the EHCP is finalised if it doesn't name your preference you can appeal.

PineapplesPumpkins · 03/06/2021 11:43

Thank you that’s so helpful. Smile

There is a small independent near us but I hadn’t realised that was an option; although I’m not sure they would be able to meet his needs. There are no smaller MS or units near us unfortunately

If we try DS in MS and it fails, is it easy enough to move to SEN?

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10brokengreenbottles · 03/06/2021 19:30

Independence mainstream, non-maintained special schools and independent special schools are all possible with EHCPs. However, if you don't want mainstream, even an independent one, don't mention it as an option. It is easier if independent special schools are section 41 schools, but not impossible if they are wholly independent. EOTAS is also possible.

How easy moving from MS to SS would be depends on your area. The biggest barrier will be places. Usually it is easier to get a place at the beginning of Y7, although whether this applies given it is after the normal EHCP admissions round I don't know. Whilst being full isn't enough of a reason to refuse admission there does become a point where the LA can prove they are so full it is incompatible, and this is more likely when you want admission at a none standard entry point.

Don't underestimate the negative effect placement breakdown can have on mental health.

PineapplesPumpkins · 03/06/2021 19:51

I’m very concerned about placement break down . DS really wants to go to MS with his friends but even he feels it might be too much for him. He finds it very difficult to make friends and he would have none in a SEN school (at first at least) . I’m very very torn over what to do in case we get it wrong. If we make the wrong choice , it can be life changing in terms of friendships, long term academic achievement and his mental health and so on .

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10brokengreenbottles · 03/06/2021 20:06

I understand the worry over whether you are doing the right thing. I think if you are unsure if DS will cope he probably won't. That sounds defeatist, but if you are worried about the size and hustle and bustle of secondary school after probably seeing the school at its best then on an average day DS will struggle. Alongside that peer relationships often become more complicated to navigate as you progress in to teenage years. Not to mention SS isn't mentioned unless it is necessary.

Moving to SS would mean there's a focus on integrating in to the school and developing friendships as so many will arrive knowing no-one.

Academic ability and qualifications are of little use if your child's MH is in tatters and they can't function if everyday life.

Perhaps my thinking is coloured, DS1 had a placement breakdown 5 years ago and my biggest regret is letting MS go on for so long.

PineapplesPumpkins · 03/06/2021 20:10

You’re very right in academics being no use if MH is in tatters. To get DS through MS , it is going to be a continuous battle around going to school , completing homework and wearing uniform . Our parent / son relationship has been pushed to peak throughout primary , I don’t want to cause irreparable damage to it by dragging him through a MS. If SS is the wrong choice though , then he may end up never forgiving me for taking away his friends and some opportunities. It’s such a tough call.

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