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Dyslexia with laptop support at primary school - any experience please?

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BCBG · 06/09/2010 22:11

Dc4 (8) has been diagnosed as severely dyslexic and dyspraxic, with an auditory processing problem and also dysgraphia which is made worse by her hypermobility. She has tested with an IQ of 136 and the Ed Psych says that she is underachieving even more than her school had reported (she has a reading age of 11.8 but cannot spell even simple words). The recommendation is that she be allowed laptop support at school with voice recognition technology at home, and that handwriting should be confined to an exercise for its own sake, as any handwriting is 'slow, painful laborious and unproductive'. Her independent prep school has said that it will not support the use of a laptop and that her need for one would put her outside 'mainstream' educational establishments. Can this be true? Surely there are primary schools which do support the use of ICT at this age? I would be really grateful for all experiences and advice before I do battle on the grounds of disability discrimination?

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LIZS · 07/09/2010 08:46

Not true ime ds has been positively encouraged to touch type since he was 8 or 9 at his prep, for last year has used a laptop in class and now at 12 we are in the throes of getting an Ed Psych report to support his continued use of a laptop in exams (he is due to take 13+ and CE this year). This isn't that unusual in the private secondaries we have looked at for him.

Fredfred · 07/09/2010 09:35

If your DC has been diagnosed as being Dyslexic by an Ed Psych then she should be protected under the Disabilities Discrimination Act and I'm pretty sure that the school would therefore be obliged to provide for her needs, but as it is an independent school you may have to fund the laptop yourself. They should allow her to use it though. Her IQ proves that she is capable of working in her academic year and if she were in a state school I'm sure she would be allowed to use a laptop (it would be much harder to get her into a special Dyslexia school on state funding). You could therefore argue that if she was taught in the state sector and a laptop is permitted then how can her difficulties put her outside 'mainstream educational establishments'. I would fight the school if I were you. Check out the wording of the Disabilities Discrimination Act too.

BCBG · 07/09/2010 20:32

Thank you both! I have been in to see them today and the Head of Special Needs Hmm says that the school 'cannot support the laptop use because 1) she will move around between lessons 2) there are no TAs to support her use of it 3) she will become dependent on it to her detriment and 4) she is holding her own in the year as it is so with time everything should 'click' although they accept that she will need worksheets rather than whiteboard/blackboard copying....Hmm

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BCBG · 08/09/2010 19:48

Bump for the evening crowd? Think I am being stonewalled and really need some perspective please.....

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goinggetstough · 10/09/2010 20:31

My dyslexic son first had his laptop at aged 9. He is now 16. His prep school were very supportive. They did provide a secure place for him to keep his laptop but he had to be responsible for charging it etc.
Alison Townsend runs intensive children's touch typing courses in the holidays in London. Friends found them excellent. I attended one of her talks for parents/teachers and it was excellent too. I don't know whether she has information sheets but her reasons for a child having a laptop would be useful ammo for your school. eg a dyspraxic child uses a much higher percentage amount of brain power for mechanical action of writing and therefore has a less amount of brain power to decide what to write.
We have found having a laptop very useful. However, we were told that for it to be really beneficial the average child should be able to type at 25 words per minute. We used the mavis beacon programme and did 5 mins everyday one summer holiday and it worked. We have not looked back since.
Good luck!

sayithowitis · 12/09/2010 11:23

I work in a state primary school and we have several children who use laptops, for various reasons including dyslexia. In a couple of cases, the LEA has funded them but we have paid for the others. The only real problem we have is that when we have had to purchase a laptop/netbook for children from the SEN budget, it usually uses the entire SEN budget for that year so we are unable to purchase other resources. For this reason, and this reason alone, we cannot fund as many as we would like, but money issues aside, there is no reason why a laptop/netbook cannot be used in the classroom.

As someone else has already pointed out, this could be seen as discrimination under the DDA Act. I would recommend that you aske them for a copy of their DDA Policy ( They have to have one) and see if there is anyway you can use that i your efforts to get appropriate provision for your child.

BCBG · 12/09/2010 20:34

Thanks for the replies! Any views on the school's response to the Ed. Psych's report - that she cannot use a laptop in the classroom until she is typing fluently (she is YR4 and they reckon YR7 or8 would be appropriate) and also that they seem to feel that her severe spelling difficulties (her reading comprehension age is 11.8 but her spelling age is 6.4) can be helped without using Clicker 5 or other spell assist software in the classroom?

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Fredfred · 13/09/2010 12:42

I think the more that she uses the laptop the more able she will be to use it IYSWIM. If her difficulties mean that she is going to need to use a laptop throughout her school career then surely the sooner she becomes accustomed to using one the better. I do not think it will be to her 'detriment' to become dependent upon using a laptop because computers are used widely in almost every part of society today and it is likely that she will use one in her chosen career as an adult. Also if she is using one in lessons it is likely that she will be allowed to use one in external exams such as GCSEs & A-levels.

IMO if there is a major problem with spelling that has been highlighted by an Ed Psych then this would be very unlikely to correct its self without any intervention.

I also think the school doesn't have a leg to stand on regarding the moving about from classroom to classroom because it is possible to buy light weight laptops. Also most classrooms have at least 1 computer in them and so she could always work on this and print out her work at the end of a lesson and stick it into an excersise book.

'Holding her own' in the year is really not good enough if she has an IQ of 136. With an IQ like that she should be near the top and the school should recognise that.

I think you need to be really pushy with them. It is against the law for them to discriminate against her. As sayithowitis said you should ask them for a copy of their DDA policy. Schools are meant to act on Ed Psych report recommendations.

sayithowitis · 13/09/2010 18:18

With regard to the comment about your DD having to type fluently before they will allow her to use laptop, in our school, children who use a laptop/netbook, are given time every day to follow a touch typing programme. We still use good old Mavis Beacon, but I am sure there will others out there.

this might be of interest and help to you.

sayithowitis · 13/09/2010 18:19

Ok. Limk didn't work. Never mind, here is what I was trying to link for you.

Summary of schools? statutory responsibilities under disability discrimination and Special Educational Needs legislation

Under Part 4 of the Disability Discrimination Act 1995 (as amended by the Special Educational Needs and Disability Act 2001) schools and LAs must not treat disabled students less favourably without justification, and must make reasonable adjustments to ensure they are not disadvantaged compared to their peers. Instead they must plan strategically to increase access to schools and the curriculum over time (schools must produce an accessibility plan setting out how they will do this ? LAs produce an accessibility strategy)
Schools? accessibility plans must show how they will improve access for disabled pupils by:

? increasing access to the curriculum;
? making improvements to the physical environment of the school to increase access;
? making written information accessible to pupils in a range of different ways.

For schools, the reasonable adjustments duty in Part 4 of the DDA does not include:

? the provision of auxiliary aids and services: this provision is made through SEN statutory duties (see below);
? physical alterations to buildings: these are made through the planning duties.

The Disability Equality Duty (Part 5A of the Disability Discrimination Act 1995, inserted by the Disability Discrimination Act 2005) places on all public authorities (including schools) a general duty, when carrying out their functions, to have due regard to the need to:
? promote equality of opportunity between disabled people and other people;
? eliminate discrimination that is unlawful under the Disability Discrimination Act 1995 (as subsequently amended);
? eliminate harassment of disabled people that is related to their disability;
? promote positive attitudes towards disabled people;
? encourage participation by disabled people in public life;
? take steps to meet disabled people?s needs, even if this requires more favourable treatment.

In addition to the general duty, regulations made under the Part 5A of the DDA set out a specific duty on certain public authorities, including all publicly-funded schools, requiring them to demonstrate how they are meeting the general duty. In effect the general duty sets out what schools have to do; the specific duty sets out how schools have to do it and what they need to record as evidence of what they have done.

The main requirements of the specific duty are to:

? prepare and publish a disability equality scheme (a scheme);
? involve disabled people in the development of a scheme;
? implement the scheme;
? report on it.

The purpose of the scheme is to demonstrate how the school is going to meet the disability equality duty. Schools are required to undertake the development of their scheme in a particular way and to include particular elements. They must:

? involve disabled people (pupils, staff, parents) in the preparation of the scheme;
? set out in their scheme how disabled people have been involved in its preparation, and their arrangements for gathering information on the effect of the school?s policies on:
o the recruitment, development and retention of disabled employees;
o the educational opportunities available to and the achievements of disabled pupils;
o the school?s methods for assessing the impact of its current or proposed policies and practices on disability equality;
o the steps the school is going to take to meet the general duty (the school?s action plan);
o the arrangements for using information to support the review of the action plan and to inform subsequent schemes;
? implement the actions in their scheme within three years;
? report on their scheme annually;
? review and revise their scheme every three years.

The school is not required to do anything under its scheme that is unreasonable or impracticable.

Schemes must have been published by 4 December 2006, except for schemes for primary schools, special schools and PRUs, which must have been published by 3 December 2007. It is the local authority that has responsibility for the scheme for a PRU.

Further information about schools? disability discrimination responsibilities are contained in a guidance pack entitled Implementing the Disability Discrimination Act (DDA) in schools and early years settings ? a training resource for schools and local authorities. This guidance outlines schools? and local authorities? responsibilities in relation to the DDA and also provides support and advice to schools in the development and implementation of these duties. Copies of this guidance can be ordered from Prolog by e-mailing [email protected] or by phoning 0845 60 222 60. However, only one pack can be allocated to each school.

Where a child has special educational needs a school has statutory duties under the Education Act 1996, which include the following from sections 313, 317 and 317A:

? doing its best to ensure that the necessary provision is made for any pupil who has special educational needs
? ensuring that where the head teacher or a nominated governor has been informed by a local authority that a pupil has SEN, those needs are made known to all who are likely to teach him/ her
? ensuring teachers are aware of the importance of identifying and providing for pupils who have SEN
? ensuring a pupil with SEN joins in the activities of the school together with other pupils, so far as is reasonably practical and compatible with the child receiving the special educational provision their learning needs call for, the efficient education of the pupils with whom they are educated and the efficient use of resources
? report to parents on the implementation of the school?s policy for pupils with SEN
? have regard to the SEN Code of Practice when carrying out its duties toward all pupils with SEN
? ensure that parents are notified of a decision by the school that SEN provision is being made for their child

The SEN Code of Practice explains there is a continuum of special educational needs and that, where necessary, increasingly specialist expertise should be brought to bear on a child?s difficulties. The Code describes this as a graduated approach to addressing children?s special educational needs. The Code suggests that where a child?s difficulties are not ameliorated through usual approaches to teaching and learning, staff should decide on additional or different interventions at School Action.

If little or no progress continues to be made, school staff should consider seeking external support through School Action Plus. At this stage, external support services (both those provided by the local authority and by other organisations) should be helping to develop interventions aimed at addressing a child?s continuing barriers to achievement. However, the Code is clear that the involvement of such agencies need not be limited to such pupils ? outside specialists can play an important part in the very early identification of SEN and in advising schools on effective provision designed to prevent the development of more significant needs.

Where a child with SEN continues to make little progress in response to support provided through School Action Plus, the school should consider asking the local authority to undertake a statutory assessment of the child?s SEN, as in Chapter 7 of the Code of Practice. As indicated at para 7.21 of the Code, a parent can request such an assessment at any time, which may result in a statement of SEN being issued for the child. Paragraph 7.29 of the Code explains that if a local authority does not agree to undertaking a statutory assessment, the parents have a right of appeal to an SEN and Disability Tribunal. Similarly, paragraph 8.15 of the Code explains that parents also have a right of appeal if a decision is made not to provide a statement, following a statutory assessment.

Hope it is of use.

BCBG · 13/09/2010 21:12

Thanks! Reading that it looks like I am stuffed because it is an independent prep school Sad. I dont want to move schools because she has good friends and is happy/ settled....but maybe I'm going to have to

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Fredfred · 14/09/2010 16:58

An independent school still has to adhere to the Disability Discrimination Act BY LAW. The school must have a policy. You should ask to see it!

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