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DD takes up to 3 hours to settle to sleep at night- we need the ULTIMATE bedtime routine!

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Thandeka · 20/06/2010 15:56

DD is 18weeks and takes forever to settle to sleep at night. Once she is down at the minute she goes a minimum 5hours but lately it has been 8hours which has been great- usually waking at 4am for a feed or 5am at latest. So the sleep part is okay- it's the getting to sleep that's the issue!

We try to put her to bed between 7-8 but she often fights it until 10pm. Her daytime naps are starting to get better so on a good day she has about half an hour at 9am-ish (only in her swing or bouncer) then 3 hours around midday (waking between 2-3pm) (usually in pram or baby hammock). Then she probably needs another short nap before bed but often doesn't manage this unless she has a 20minute snooze on the boob. (Naps have never been managed in the cot!)

Should we be trying for a more rigid naptime and bedtime? (Trouble is DH doesn't get home from work until 6 and I like to hand her over at that point- cept DH also cooks, so we usually try to eat before she sleeps (as it can take so long- which means he isn't available to help with the bedtime routine and by that point in the day I am knackered and don't want to do all the putting to bed stuff too!)

Our current routine is usually bath (most nights,sometimes baby massage too), nighttime nappy and clean babygro and into grobag. 7oz Bottle of formula and cuddles on comfy chair in bedroom while playing her lullabye dreamshow which she usually falls asleep during- then you try and move her to her bedside cot, then she wakes up so give her rest of bottle in her cot, then she starts wriggling and screaming (so check for wind- usually it isn't). I lie next to her (as cot on side of bed) and shh pat but it doesn't work, we also often sing to her. So in end I often end up breastfeeding her to sleep in bed(despite knowing she isn't hungry) but the moving her back to her side of cot wakes her up again (I have tried precariously balancing in cot feeding her but it's a bit dangerous- don't think it was designed for the weight of mum too!) Rocking the cot sometimes works as does kind of lying with my arms across her holding her arms down.

How can we get this 3hour bedtime "routine" time down to ideally half an hour but will accept an hour (from start of bath!).

Perhaps our routine changes too much after the bottle? as in sometimes shh pat, sometimes singing, cot rocking, breastfeeding? pick up put down in rotation until she eventually falls asleep.

Do we need to work on the last nap of the day? I suspect she needs another 30mins at least between 4.30 and 5.30 but it doesn't always work and sometimes if her earlier nap has gone squiffy then she has a big nap- 4-7 which means obviously no hope of getting her back to bed until 9.

What should we sort first- daytime naps or bedtime, and then will the other follow?

Cor long post sorry!

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nannynz · 20/06/2010 19:11

Bedtime routine sounds ok, although obviously not work - day time also seems fine.

Things I would change is getting her to fall asleep in her cot, so when she is all nice and relaxed put her in her cot and maybe play dream show then. Honestly at this point I would leave her for a few minutes and then go back in and pat/shhh her. You may find she goes to sleep - listen for her sleeping cry. Also it may be best to have her in bed by 7pm - so bath time 6pm, bottle 6.30pm and in bed when calm and relaxed. So that she is tired but not too tired I would try to to aim for her in bed two hours from last wake up. Naps i would keep somewhat fluid as you don't imprisioned with them but aim for no less than three and no more than five. Hope that helps.

Igglybuff · 20/06/2010 20:40

I think you need to put her to bed earlier. I know this means your DH misses out and you have to do the routine, but once you've found the best bedtime you can push it bach 15 minutes every day.

My DS used to take ages to settle when trying to put him to bed between 7 and 8pm. Then we tried an earlier bedtime of 6.30pm and a short routine (bath, story, sing, BF, bed) and he settled very quickly.

I think 18 weeks is a bit young to expect consistent self settling. What I'd do is BF and take her off after a good feed when she's drowsy. Then put in cot and pat to sleep. Sometimes you can try leaving her to see if she drifts off, but if not, pat to sleep.

I'd ditch the dream show TBH as BF would be enough to relax!

Also the middle nap sounds very long but morning nap very short. What time does she wake up? Try putting down for a morning nap about 90 mins after waking - hopefully she'll sleep for 45 minutes. Then lunch time nap after being awake for 2 hours. Then you can fit in a short afternoon nap of 45 minutes.

Igglybuff · 20/06/2010 20:41

Push bedtime back 15 minutes every three days, not every day.

Suchanamateur · 20/06/2010 21:17

Thandeka just wanted to post to say congratulations on making progress with the naps. 3 hrs is incredible. I've also made some progress- we're on 4 naps a day on the cot. Three are between 45 mins and 2 hrs, depending on what I can get and that variesday to day. The fourth is fairly short- 30 mins or so- at 5, just to tide DS over to his bedtime at 7 so he's not overtired. Seems to work ok but he's younger (14 wks). We do an hr routine - nappy off, bath, bottle top up and then bf. Seems to work ok and he reasonably often settles quite quickly (although not tonight!). It does mean I mainly do it rather than DH and I sympathise with the handing over, but a later and/ or unpredictable bedtime was making settling much harder.

MrsJohnDeere · 20/06/2010 21:31

I'd put her to bed a bit earlier (6.30/6.45) and ditch the dreamshow. Sounds like she is overtired and/or overstimulated to me.

doughnutty · 20/06/2010 21:43

It might be that you need to leave her to settle.
I posted a while ago wrt DS and whether to do controlled crying as a last resort. We did a version of it going in after 1 min, then 2 mins and so on. It wasn't working but it showed us that we were disturbing/unsettling him by shushing/patting him.
After amending and leaving for 5 mins then 10 mins (then every 10 mins thereafter) he would often be asleep by the first revisit. I hate hearing him cry but I think he needed to and it very quickly became more of a whine then moans.
However, he was about 24ish weeks before we started. He's now 30 weeks and goes down usually within 15/20mins of babbling and is sleeping through.
I understand cc isn't liked by many (and it was a last resort for us) but if all else fails. I know we did the right thing for DS, it taught him to self settle and this is an important life skill.

Thandeka · 21/06/2010 08:14

She is in her cot by 6.30 at latest although that is a more recent thing as we have been starting her bedtime routine at 5ish instead of trying to get another nap. (I think she does need another nap at 4.30-5ish but it's such a battle and pushes bedtime back). She took 2.5hours to settle to sleep last night so there is an improvement (but decided to be wide awake between 3.30 and 5am which is a regression nargh!). Realised last night I usually give in and breastfeed as a last resort after an hour of trying other things. I don't mind breastfeeding her to sleep and will work on pantley pull off or whatever once we have this three hour bedtime marathon sorted! So maybe tonight will be, bath, bottle, breastfeed in bed then into cot by 7 for the sh pat marathon.

One day I would like daytime naps in her cotbut one step at a time!

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InmaculadaConcepcion · 21/06/2010 09:10

At this age, I wouldn't worry too much about trying not to feed to sleep. OK, it's good to get them down drowsy etc., but not all babies are ready for that to work just yet - I know mine isn't (mostly). The times when she wakes when I take her off the boob, a bit of tummy-patting and dummy-tapping will mostly help her settle down. (The dummy gets removed once it's served its settling purpose).

Good luck

Thandeka · 21/06/2010 09:16

If only DD would take a dummy! I reckon she would settle so much easier to sleep! She just spits them out. She used to take one only after gripe water and now we don't need gripe water but she will sometimes take one after Teetha granules. Have tried 5different shaped dummies too!

Just managed to get her to sleep in her swing after about 45minutes of swinging (the batteries in that thing are amazing- have lasted since she was born!). She sleeps longer if I manage to get her in her carseat (naughty I know) or bouncer, but then she takes forever of me bouncing or rocking to get her off and this way I can have my breakfast and shower while she is swinging! Hopefully she will be asleep for longer than 20mins though!

Also decided am going to work on that third nap of the day. 30mins at around 4.30 if possible, so she isn't chronically overtired by bedtime. Ho hum.

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