What did I do to deserve this?

[Confuzzeled]

DD has never been a good sleeper and has always been an early riser. Now at 3 she goes to bed no problem and wakes for a wee at around 2am then up for the day between 5.30am and 6.30am.

DS goes to sleep no problem as well but wakes at midnight, 4am and then up for the day at 5am. The worst part is his happy squeal he makes, it sounds like a scream and the neighbours were knocking on the wall this morning.

I do think that 8mo Ds could be hungry so I've been feeding him to sleep when he wakes up. If I don't he squeaks and wakes Dd up.

I tried giving him a bowl of porridge before bed last night but it made no difference.

I've tried co-sleeping but have had to stop because ds has now become a tooth grinder like his sister.

It's been 9 weeks since I slept for more than 3 hours at a time.

If anyone can offer any advice I'd be most grateful.

We use herbal tea in our family. Have you tried lime flower tea (ask for linden in health shops). We used to give lime flower tea in a bottle to our daughter and we drank lime flower tea too after our evening meal (We add some honey some time to it). when does DD goes to bed? is it too early?

I feel for you, I really do. I only have one lo, 9mo, so I don't have much to offer in terms of advice, but:

Have you tried a dummy? My LO will settle with a dummy and one feed around 2am generally. Since I started replacing the dummy instead of always feeding he is waking less.

With your DD, have you tried a gro clock or similar to encourage her to play quietly until getting up time?

Are they in separate rooms, or together? Would DD wake less if DS was in with you for a month or so?

Get their dad to see to them in the night and let you catch up on your sleep.

do you use blackout blinds in their rooms?

What about lifting DD onto the loo at midnight when you are awake anyway? We used to lift our 3yr old and she would good straight back to sleep (and hardly wake up if she was in a nighty not pjs). Then at least you might get the 12 to 4 slot uninterrupted.

sorry go, not good!

Have you also thought about gradually weaning DS off night feeds?

Lifting is a good idea - that would sort out one night waking. And a gro clock for you dd. Ours worked wonders alongside a sticker chart. She now plays nicely untl the "sun is up". We gradually moved her getting up time from 5.45 to 7.15. Also second black out blinds. Not sure what to suggest for your ds but can't believe your neighbours are knocking on the wall .

hi confuzzled, i think we've met on one of these threads already. My dcs are a similar age and i as about to post a similar thread - again! I dont get to sleep for more than an hour and a half at a time and am getting between 6 and 8 wakings a night between them.I feel your pain, our issues have gone on for months now, with only a night or two's respite.

Is there a chance you could borrow a bunny clock to try? they are quite expensive and it hasnt worked so far for our DD, buti know they have for friends.
I agree with trying to wean DS off night feeds - i had managed to get DD2 down to just one, then she fell ill and we're back to square one.
sorry, nothing useful to suggest, but as i say, i feel your pain. I have been beack at work for 3 weeks now and am on my last legs already . am wondering abotu trying homeopathy for DD1, hoping it might stop her nightmares and shouting out.

another option on the bunny clock is fairy lights on a timer - basic timer plugs are pretty cheap and you can use xmas tree lights. we did this successfully with dd1 when she was 2 1/2. Even better when i got a digital timer switch so the lights came on later on weekends!