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3 yr old with sleep troubles - anyone know what we should ask GP?

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suzi2 · 04/04/2010 22:03

My DD has always been an appauling sleeper but we've slowly chipped away at some of the 'bad' things and improved things though for the last year or so we've been stuck in the same position. She goes to bed without any bother and gets to sleep fine (sometimes plays a little) but wakes several times a night crying and can't get back to sleep.

Some nights she sleeps through (a few a month at best) so we know she can. Some nights she wakes lots for 5 mins. However most nights she wakes and simply can't get back to sleep. She doesn't chat, won't tell us what is wrong really and isn't mucking about, just cries and tries to sleep. I either go in and out to her to reassure her (typically she cries every 20 mins) or lie beside her where she tosses and turns, goes into REM sleep, wakes, goes into REM sleep etc until 2-3 hours passes and she has a meltdown and sleeps from exhaustion.

I'm reasonably confident she's not just arsing us about and I'm fairly confident that it's not habit as she does sleep through now and again and her pattern changes. She has eczema, and we've always blamed that (she's often scratching) but it's great at the moment and she's still as bad. Antihistamines have done nothing for her and don't make her drowsy.

She doesn't nap and hasn't done so for over a year. She could probably do with it as she's shattered but always struggled with napping.

I've driven myself mad with sleep deprivation (though the worst thing is not knowing what sort of night lies ahead!) I've read every book, tried every technique (though not for some time) and tried a hotter room, cooler room, different duvets, different rooms, different bedtimes, more exercise, less exercise, more fresh air etc. She stayed with my parents last night and gave my mum a night of hell. When I told her she wouldn't be going back until she started sleeping better she sobbed and said she didn't mean to and didn't know what was wrong.

I've made an appointment with my GP (not for 3 wks!) to speak to her. From what I've read, our options at the age 3+ stage are "stronger sedating antihistamines", "sleep clinic referral" (private one will see her now she's 3) or "behavioural training". The training would be controlled crying really. I'm not sure I can go through it again. I did it for days a few times before and she only ever fell asleep from exhaustion after hours and being sick etc and things never improved. I'm not sure I could do it again.

I just want things sorted for her (she'll start school next year) and for DS (who is tired from being woken too, he's 4.5) and DH and I's marriage!

Is it possible she'll just grow out of it sometime? Or do I need expert help? The sleep clinic referral would be good but they generally don't take NHS patients so we'd be forking out privately. I just really need a cure and some sleep. Any experiences or suggestions would be really welcome.

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suzi2 · 04/04/2010 22:04

And as if by magic, that's her up. Who knows how long for...

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suzi2 · 05/04/2010 19:53

bump

she woke a couple of times in the evening last night but settled quickly and slept through (DS was up though unfortunately!). I should be pleased but I'm just frustrated as I know it'll be one of the few good sleeps this month.

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meatntattypie · 05/04/2010 20:04

Hi, your dd sounds like my ds.
He was the same.
In fact he didnt sleep a full night until he was 4 nearly 5.

Like you i was half mad with utter utter dogged exhaustion. I didnt have any one to have him over night though.

So he is nearly 7 now and he did grow out of his problems yes. As i say he was nearly 5.
It kind of happened over a few months, he would do sleep through more and more.

I found that he would get a cold, then croup, teeth pain, vomiting bugs etc and he would go right back to up 10, 15, 18 times a night. (I used to keep sleep diaries following advice from a health visitor)

BUT yes, he did eventually sleep through as he got older.

My advice is to take advantage of your family overnight offers, your mum can catch up with her sleep anytime, you need to get what sleep you can.

I never went to the GP, just out of desperation i went to the hv. she advised a sleep diary, i totted up up to 20 times a night, then got very depressed so gave up on that idea as the hv could offer me no help or advice.
Just waited it out.

I feel your pain my love really i do.

parentlove · 06/04/2010 11:20

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ches · 07/04/2010 02:45

Is she in nappies or is she dry at nights? My DS is 3 and has never slept through. He wakes at least once, usually his bladder, sometimes in time, sometimes not. He then comes in with us and goes through until morning. If he goes back into his own bed he'll wake again.

Recently he wasn't napping at nursery and they weren't telling me so I was letting him go to bed at the usual time. We had some serious rage issues and tantrums. The rage really manifested at night; he'd wake up thrashing and there was nothing I could do to snap him out of it. DH thought he was being a horribly behaved spoiled child until he witnessed one attack that was entirely unprovoked (e.g. not me lifting him onto the potty waking him) and saw for himself that he wasn't really awake. I was wondering if a recent move (300 miles) had spurred night terrors, but it was purely overtiredness. HTH

ArthurPewty · 07/04/2010 07:41

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suzi2 · 07/04/2010 22:51

Thanks everyone. After my post I had two nights of good sleep (awake once but went back down no bother) and last night I was into her 4 times then finally gave in and went in beside her. She still took 2 hours to nod off with me lying next to her - but at least she was quiet.

She used to always be chronically overtired but I think it's less of an issue these days. I know she sometimes suffers from it but she won't nap really and if she does she won't go down at night so it's all vicious cycle anyway. She's dry 90% of the time but still wears a pullup. If she's properly awake during the night she tends to go to the potty, but it's because she's awake rather than the cause.

The sleep clinic don't deal with children anymore. They have put me in touch with Sleep Scotland though who might be able to help. I think it might be the same HV type person I saw when she was 13 months old though who told me to stop breastfeeding her at night and to let her cry it out. Maybe I'm not helping matters, but I can't let her cry properly for ages as I genuinely don't think it's going to help matters.

I hope everyone gets some nice sleep soon. I'll let you know if the GP has any miracle cures!

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sam2cats · 07/04/2010 23:58

Might it be night terrors? My DD had them and had also been an appalling sleeper before that. She would wake really crying and not tell me what was wrong and just cry harder...I was at my wits end because I thought she was just trying it on.

It got really bad and I went to my GP who recommended waking her up (ahh!) before the usual start of the crying. The books say it normally happens about 2 hours after going to sleep, but really it happens at all times and if I didn't leave her to just go back to sleep on her own she would be up every other hour.....it was a nightmare.

I don't know what changed for us, I kept a consistent bedtime routine, tried not to let her get too tired, I didn't talk to her about the night time problems because I read somewhere that that could give them a complex about going to bed and sleeping. I stopped her having puddings in the evening even though it was just yogurt! Anyway, we have more good nights than bad now, (although I am unwilling to jinx it)....also she has milk at night which helps her self comfort.

I hope it changes for you soon, in the meantime do let your family and friends help, you need your sleep too. Good luck.

suzi2 · 09/04/2010 22:46

It's not night terrors. She's definitely awake, though it's possibly nightmares. My DS had night terrors so I'm used to them lol.

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sheepgomeep · 10/04/2010 01:40

I feel your pain. We are having same problem with our soon to be 3 yr old next month.

dd goes to bed ok but wakes and can't go back to sleep and this happens several times a night.

She is currently downstairs with us as Iv just tried to get her back to sleep by climbing in with her but as soon as I left thr room she was awake again and she was fast asleep.

I'm due n04 in 4 weeks so am getting a bit despondant about it all

raindroprhyme · 10/04/2010 17:59

No help really as we did everything you did with DS2 and it seemed to make no difference but he seemed to outgrow it in the last 6 months he is 5.2yrs.
Now we are at the satge wher he is up once in a blue moon as opposed to sleeping thru once in a blue moon.

I resorted to Vallergan(sp) a few times because i was so tired but Pharmicist warned me thay can become tolerant to it.So it really once only occasionally if i knew i needed a good sleep for a meeting at work the next day or something.

DS suffered from night terrors from about 10 months and all thru his toddler hood and i am convinced this started his bad sleeping patterns.

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