Sunrises are beautiful but I don't farking care.

[Confuzzeled]

My dd is still getting up at 5am and it's driving me mad. Ds is 3 weeks old and feeding loads at night so I'm exhausted.

I tried going in at 3.30 and disturbing her sleep pattern but it didn't make any difference. Later bedtime means she's just more tired.

Anyone got any ideas?

Am praying for a better night - poor lad seemed exhausted when I woke him after an hours nap at lunchtime - felt so mean - he freaked for 30 mins just screaming and crying blue murder at me and at the buggy wanting to get in it and go back to sleep! I then managed to keep him up til 7.27pm when he zonked out immediately so fingers crossed we get beyond 4.30am. Starting with 4.30am as my absolute earliest I will get him out of the cot.

Thanks for the support - really appreciate it!

How was your night?

Dd was late going to bed because her uncle is visiting. So she got up at 5am again.

Ds slept through till 3.30am so I feel like i've had an okay sleep.

Took ds to a cranial osteopath today and the therapist said she may be able to help dd with sleeping. I'm going to see how ds gets on with his sessions then if I can afford it I'll take dd.

You do so well with 2 - seriously I can't cope with one!

3.15am wake up - would only re-settle with us but my lovely dh took him away and let me sleep til 6am - he had blood pressure appointment so was actually here for once!

We are still on 45/1hour nap in the day - he hates it but going to persist - not so strong about the co -sleeping at 3am so one thing at a time - also sticking with slightly later bedtime of 7.30pm - just want to see if he stops waking with less and less day time sleep.

Let me know how you get on at the cranial guy - I did it when he was tiny and had not considered it again/

Check in tomorrow.

Fingers crossed better night for both of us.

Thanks Brom, but Bah, last night was the worst. It is hard with 2 but I think it was harder when I just had dd and she was waking loads of times in one night. Plus as she's got older, she's a bit less hard work.

Dd was so tired she was asleep by 6.30pm, I went to bed at 9.30 but ds wanted a big feed. His wind seems worse than before we saw the CO, so didn't get to sleep till after 11pm. Then he fed at 2am and screamed with trapped wind for 2 hours after. Poor dd was woken up and I let her get into bed with me so I could look after her and ds. Dh was away last night so it was hard doing it on my own.

Then dd and ds both got up at 6am. I'm knackered. It wasn't dd's sleep that was the problem but poor ds. I can't believe the CO has made his wind worse, before he had trouble with tiny bubbles of trapped wind that made him moan and vomit little bits. Now he seems to have big burps that get get trapped, cause him lots of pain and make him do really big vomits. I hope this will get better after the second session.

I'm glad your dh gave you a bit of a break. My dh works long hours too but he does help when he can.

I hope you had a better night. Is dh back to help you? your poor little ds - are you bf? if not there are some drops that really worked for my ds when little - let me know and I will dig out the name if you can use them.

I am sure what we are doing now is going to cause problems later but I just bring him in with me as soon as he wakes - this has got better over last few nights and we are on 4.15am wake up and we can get him back to sleep for about an hour if we cuddle him in our bed. Still being strict about lunchtime nap - just an hour and bedtime between 7 and 7.30pm depending on how tired he is.

Lots of other people bring their lo's in bed with them don't they? Just hope we are not making it a bigger problem for later on.

My hope is that he will get used to having more sleep that way and then over time just start to sleep later and later.........well he's hoping!

Forgot to write on earlier but had a hectic day.

I'd say go for the co-sleeping if it helps. I used to do it and we all got allot more sleep. I'd do it now but it's too hard with ds as well.

Last night dd got up at 2am, I put her back to bed but she got up again. I was feeding ds so couldn't get up, so I just told her to go back to bed, which she did She slept until 6.20am when dh got up with her and I slept till 9.30am I feel even more tired than usual though which is strange.

Ds is bf and slept really well last night, he's been so chilled out today as well. It's funny, he's still vomiting a bit but he's just so calm, maybe yesterday was just an off day.

Fingers crossed for tonight, dh up and away at 4.30am so hopefully he won't wake up dd.

I often feel more tired after a bit more sleep - its the bodies way of saying you still need more.

You sound like you had a much better day so I hope it carried on into the night.

Going to stick with the co-sleeping in the early hours for a bit - it didn't work this mornig but he woke slightly later at 4.45am so at least we are heading in the right direction. Is it worrying that I think 4.45am wake up is good?!

We have a weekend off next weekend from all the dcs - can't wait - been in the diary forever! Can't wait to actually wake up with my dh without having to play musical beds etc. Am going to sleep loads! Bit worried what will happen in the morning when ds wakes up but maybe he will be good as gold for someone other than his parents!

morning can I join in?

My 1 yr old has taken to waking up 5ish for last week.

Driving me around the bend..

Still tired so just cries,drinks milk,cries some more, falls over a lot.

Fast forward to 7pm- me; cries, drinks wine, cries some more, falls over with exhaustion.

of course join in!

have you heard of the wake to sleep solution? you could try that - I just don't want you to have a year of it as it is so draining.

I can only offer sympathy otherwise as I dare not give advice as nothing worked for us and I have to accept our ds is just a very early riser - annoyingly

Is that where you wake them up a bit before they would wake you up then lay them back down??

So waking her at 430 or whenever?

Was going to try that but am just scared of then her being up from 430 instead!

Have had a terrible year sleepwise.

Dd2 has awful excema which has had her up most of the night for months on end.

It is clearing up now and she had just started treating us to 7-6/630 sleeps so this new 5am thing is driving me crazy!

Should real;ly be grateful that I'm not up all night with an inconsolable itchy baby but it's hard to think that at 5am..

Thank goodness for Sky plus is all I can say.

Agree sky plus a godsend.

DS had terrible excema too - I put his early morning waking down to it but now his skin is so much better and his early mornings are not! Suppose you can't have it all.

Yes on wake to sleep you would wake your lo an hour before so 4am - then leave room and hopefully they settle again - agree its nerve racking but could be worth a go - didn't work here though........but has worked for loads of other mumsnetters.

will try it.. DH sometimes gets up with them on a Tuesday so won't do it on his day.

Is your ds on a restricted diet cos of excema?

He was allergy tested - no to eggs in any shape or form but we knew that as he reacts so severely and that was about it - all the other usual suspects came up as negative - his skin only got better after I saw a specialist who was very specific about which days I could use strong ointments etc and when not to - amazingly it did the trick after 3 weeks but I know all these lo's are so different in what works and what doesn't. The gp's were giving me creams not the ointment version which apparently is more effective in getting it under control.

Morning Morning,

Welcome Girlsyearapart, to the sunrise club

Not that I saw a sunrise today.

We had a party yesterday so dd was awake till 8.30pm. She woke at 2am, so did ds, so had to feed him. I told her to go back to bed and after much running between rooms she finally did. After I'd finished burping ds at about 3am I went to check on her and she was asleep in bed with a book and her lamp on. So funny, she's never done that before. Dh left at 4.30am and dd came into my bed at 6am. The shocking part is, she went back to sleep till 7.45am. So we've had quite a bit of sleep, even though it's been broken.

Broms, even a slight improvement is good, hope it continues. I'm so jealous of your weekend off. As soon as ds can be left, my Mum has offered to watch my 2 for a night, woo hoo.

I feel bad for both your lo's with excema, I have it too so as an adult I can say exactly how horrible it is.

Girls, do try the waking in the night thing, it didn't work for us either but it's worth a shot. I'm doing the early to bed thing which does seem to be working a tiny bit and I get extra time in the evening.

So once you wake them up a few nights do you stop doing it and they (magically) sleep in longer??

You do it for about a week I think - so if your dd wakes up at 5am gently wake her at 4am then leave the room - you just wake them enough to break the sleep cycle but no lights on or talking - fingers crossed they go back to sleep and the idea then is that it breaks the habit of the early morning waking.

Like confuzzled did not work for us but has worked for lots of other people on here.

Up and down quite a bit in the night but he slept til 5.30 in our bed - so this co sleeping thing is working better for us - even though my dh moans about it as he often has to move to another room.

As much as I am looking forward to the weekend away I am now really nervous about leaving him because of the co-sleeping.....

Broms, he may sleep better for someone else.

My dd was up at 1am but only for a few minutes then she slept till 6.20am. This is a huge improvement for us.

Anyway, off to the inlaws for a few days so will check in when I get back.

She woke at 4.45 today..
But it was DHs turn to get up with her so I didn't wake her in the night.
She slept for about 20 mins during the morning then finally gave in at 1230 after full on morning playing and slept for 3 hours.
Left her to sleep as long as she wanted during the day and gave her some cereal before bed so we shall see what the morning brings!

Just enjoy your time off Broms - at least whoever you're leaving him with only has to put with minimal sleep loss and can catch up when you come back!

ugh 4am.
But she woken by dd1 who had woken up at 130 aswell full of beans.

couldn't get her back to sleep. May be giving in now though,

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aaaaaggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh too

3.15 was the first wake up - (well 11pm was but don't count that one as I happened to be up) then he went back to sleep for 30 mins then on and off all morning til 5.30am. This is even when he's in with me - he's wriggly he never settles properly so we don't get any sleep sleeping together either really - the only thing it does too is stop him screaming.

Am only giving him 45/60 mins in the day and later bedtime but it doesn't really seem to be working.

All still a bit out of control in this house at the moment - co-sleeping definitley not solving the problem.

oh dear broms not good.

co sleeping never works for us either.

Neither of ours want to settle in our bed and even if they do sleep I can't sleep because I worry about hurting them in my sleep/them falling out whatever really..

I always felt with dd1 that restricting daytime sleep never worked.

Always seemed to be the more she slept the more she slept iyswim.

Anyway dds went back to sleep.
dd1 in bed with-
comfort blanket, cuddly bob the builder, dolly. All these standard but has as well-

three boxes of mini books, 3 normal size books, one cuddly bear, one cuddly dog, another dolly and a bag of Night Garden/Peppa pig/farm animal figurines.

Whatever it takes.

dd2 gave in at about 540 needed to give her milk though and slept til 720 so had a little extra at least.

Has this chat died off because all yours have magically started sleeping or are you all too knackered to type???

Went away for the weekend - bliss - had two lie ins but back and ready for the early mornings again - will check in tomorrow and let you know what god unearthly time it is then - apparently he did 5am and 4.30am while i was away - so not too bad.........

Hows everyone else doing?

Phew Broms thought you'd deserted me.

Glad you had nice time.

After some right shockers we've had two good nights.

1st - slept 645 pm til 450 gave dummy straight back to sleep til 610.

2nd- slept 7-6 no night waking.

Feel bit more human!

Great girlyearapart that sounds so much better Really hope it lasts for you as you need a break with this and I only have the one ds to contend with.

This morning wake up at 4.33am but I grabbed him and he fell asleep with me til 5.45am so better - I think I am going to try and stick with co sleeping (i know I said I wouldn't)in the early hours as nothing else works and at least with that we have a shot at an extra hour or so. Lots of people have said to me leave him to scream for 2 weeks until we are ready to get up and he will soon realise you're not coming but I can't face doing that.

Still sticking to bed btw 9-10pm - any later and I am well grumpy all day...