experiences of "Pantley Pull Off"?

[MamaChris]

Have been trying PPO last 3 days/nights (with some other NCSS tactics), but things seem to be getting worse ds used to suck to sleep, continue sucking in sleep, then eventually pull off by himself and turn over to deep sleep for ~ 1-2 hours. I want to break the suck to sleep association, so am trying PPO.

But with PPO he's harder to settle to sleep and wakes up more upset and earlier (20mins-1 hour!). I worry that perhaps I'm doing it wrong and pulling him off too early, so he wakes up sooner because he's hungry. But if I leave it any longer he's asleep (but still drinking) and I disturb him more. But perhaps he's just adjusting? Has anyone else tried PPO and how did it go? How do you pick the perfect moment to start PPO?

bump because I am very interested in the answer!

tmmj

it's where you take dc off the nipple while sleepy but still awake to try and break the association with suck to sleep. If he cries/roots, put him back on and try again 30 seconds or so later. It's taking me 30mins+ of attempting this to get ds to settle to sleep. No fun at all

I suppose I did a modified version of this
how old is ds btw?

I would try and make sure dd had a proper feed then as she drifted off would pull out gently and keep her very close until fully asleep, usually 10-15 min

eventually this progressed to fed and lie side by side, then feed and cot then no feed at all during night but it took a while

ds is 4mo. I try and make sure he has a proper feed, but he's so in the habit of continuing to feed once asleep, I think maybe that's a problem with taking him off while still awake.

is the suck to sleep association so bad? hes quite young to be 'breaking' habits/associations ... isnt he? would you not just have an easier life going with the flow?

(i thought it was rude too! )

It doesn't sound good does it. It sounds like the name of a rural village in a Carry-On film

Haven't tried it but pick-up, put-down worked for us - no return to bf, just go to him every couple of mins to cuddle and reassure, than put down again. Takes a long time at first, but it does help them learn to comfort themselves and get to sleep by themselves. With the pull-off, it seems to me DS is getting what he wants, but then repeatedly having to parted from it which just makes him think he can have it back when he gets upset, IYSWIM.

I see I never tried anything like that until past 6 months or so, not in any significant way, we did co sleep as well.
I think what I found harder was that she would wake up as son as I tried to move so I found that waiting helped, unfortunately I occasionally feel asleep as well

soooo tiring those first few months

dd found her thumb at some point which helped, we never used dummies

I did it and it worked for me. didn't take any where near that long for me though. and after a short time (days?) I found dd would just automatically pull off when she'd finished.

I would feed and then wait until the frequency of sucks had dropped to say one every 5 seconds ish? and a half hearted one at that, then I would slip my little finger in, occasionally that disturb her but most often not. I didn't find I needed to bring it earlier becasue as I said she then started doing it herself

Yes, I admit it!

I've been happy to feed to sleep so far, but would like to develop some alternative way to settle ds too, particularly for later in the night when he wakes up so regularly he isn't hungry enough to feed enough to go back to sleep.

the problem is ds wakes and can;t resettle and the sleep periods are getting shorter and shorter and i am so tired. ds is 21 weeks, so similar to op

Oh yes agree about the thumb. DS sucks two fingers, started at a few months old and still does it at 3 - it always comforts him. Try showing your DS how to do that?

mine was older too. but in principle no problem trying earlier it is a very gentle approach inteded to attempt to avoid hours of sleep feeding too

I used to do this with all ofour of mine. I had no idea it had an official name LOL!

Not official really, her book just pulls tpgether a few old techniques

if it gets hard just think it works takes time but they learn to self sooth.
dd is quite a good sleeper at 3 now n fact from once we got most of the teething out of the way, thinks have been good.

things that is

I found it hard too - one thing hat helped was giving dd a big feed before the bath then letting DH take over - he obv couldn't bf her to sleep (rocked, sung etc instead) so she began to realise that sleep didn't have to = sucking.
I know it might be setting up another prop but it's better than exclusively relying on bfing. Have you tried the comfort-blanket-introduction?

I think she says to leave it until they've stopped actually drinking to pull off, and are just suckling - so wait until he's stopped swallowing and then pull off. If I remember correctly, the point is that they don't go into the deep sleep with your nipple still in, so aren't still expecting it.

I only did NCSS from 10 months or so though. Worked well for us.

MrsB would be happy for a comfort blanket! Am trying to introduce that by holding it close when he does feed to sleep. Any tips appreciated!

BellaBear you summed it up exactly - we seemed to be feeding constantly from 330 this morning. Just too tired to keep this up (even with cosleeping).

snowleopard - he sucks his fingers, but how can I teach him that means sleep?

thanks for the clarification cmotdibbler. perhaps I have been trying to early then.

I suppose you can just show him to suck them at sleep time and stroke his head, sing lullabies etc?

I started to have success with this but then DS learned that if he launched himself at me really quickly he could get back on that boob before I had time to stop him. It also meant that I ended up with him being really awake in the middle of the night - not fun. I just went back to feeding to sleep as it is the path of least resistance!