4 year old sleep nightmare

[Autumnlily14]

Hi all,
so my son , 4, has never been a great sleeper. It was something I hoped he’d grow out off but if anything it’s gotten worse as he talks in the morning now.

he shares a room with his 2 year old sister and as soon as he is done sleeping in the morning he talks and talks and wakes everyone else up. He also wakes up in the night quite a few times and we’re having to stay in their room until they’re asleep otherwise they mess around. We’ve tried an olly owl clock and sticker chart with rewards, we’ve tried telling him to be quiet and explaining everyone else is still tired but none of it is working. I have chronic fatigue so starting my day off with being woken up when it’s still early is making me irritable and him being told to go back to sleep is making him irritable. Our living room is open plan with our kitchen so I can’t just send him out there because it wouldn’t be safe and he can’t play in his bed because it is still too noisy and he still wakes everyone up but I don’t think it’s fair that everyone else’s sleep is being dictated by when he is done. Please help!!

This might seem very obvious but have you tried putting him to bed later? If he’s waking up because he’s had sufficient sleep, it’s nigh on impossible to expect him to stay asleep. If on the other hand, he’s not getting enough sleep, then that’s a different situation.

My son was a terrible sleeper and he used to wake us all up, including his older brother who he shared a room with.

My HV was really helpful. She gave us advice on what to do if he disturbed us. This included being extremely boring with him and repeatedly putting him back to bed without saying anything to him. She said some of it is habit and sometimes attention seeking. By being boring you’re not rewarding them for waking up.

@Unilaterallyinsane it doesn’t seem to matter how tired he is. Just this morning he was yawning an hour after waking up it’s just like once he decides he’s done that’s it. The problem is he doesn’t get out of bed so if I just say shh he gets angry and then starts shouting