Toddler sleep

[LittleG77]

Hello just wondered if anyone had any thoughts on if a 25 month old needs a nap? DD has suddenly really resisted bedtime and for the last week has only slept about from about 9.30pm (I then wake her at 7am). We've always had a routine and I take her into her room for quiet time at 7.30 but she just doesn't seem tired. She's only napping 30 minutes to an hour in the day so she's definitely not napping too long. She just doesn't seem tired, and still very happy in the evening. Everything seems to say they should definitely nap at that age.
She's in a cot but I'm also thinking of trying a bed soon then she can more independently lie down when tired and drop off, rather than me having to force her into the cot.
Thank you :-)

This is more likely to be to do with baby not being taught to independently get to sleep, rather than the sleep not being needed.

I would not move to a bed, that will probably make everything harder and worse.

Instead I would tackle why you need to "force her into the cot". Find a way yo teach her to get into the cot, loe down, settle down and go to sleep all on her own.

I know people don’t like this answer but controlled crying worked wonders for us, I know allot of people think it’s cruel but It was also cruel on me as I was on the edge of insanity with lack of sleep and was slipping into a depression with my first son so how was I meant to be the best mum to him feeling this way, he hated bedtime it was a fight every night and he woke every 2 hours it was so hard. I tried everything and controlled crying was the hands down best thing I done it lasted about 4-5 days I was adamant it had to work, although everyone is different. he loves his bed and sleep now asks to go to bed and has ever since, he’s 4 and half now and sleeps to about 8am from 8pm, waking on his own to go the toilet (unless he’s had a bad dream) We done this when he was 20 months during lockdown.

"Forcing into the cot" doesn't sound good at all. Can you tell us a bit more about what's happening.

And yes, I know it's probably not popular but they do need a nap at this age.

I'd recommend trying the No Cry Nap Solution for Toddlers & Preschoolers.

Sorry meant No Cry Sleep Solution

Thanks all
Sorry by forcing into the cot I meant that even when she gets sleepy in the room, then having to get her in the cot wakes her up, which is why I was thinking the bed might be better where she can get drowsy by her own then not have to be moved.
She has always fallen asleep independently until now.
I do agree that controlled crying is absolutely fine (although difficult as she never seems to stop but I know that's what it's like at the start) I've tried it but the only reason I don't really do it because it wakes her sister.

What happens before the 7.30 quiet time?
Working with a family now with a 30 month old. Have spent evenings watching routine

Child eats at 5.30
Starts to show signs of tiredness around 6 to 6.30....behaviour is wingy has bath....hyper playtime loads of toys splashing and laughter....wakes child up
Dressed for bed....milk ...TV....hyper active as soon as drunk milk running climbing etc....
Bedtime story dark room 2 plus hours to settle.
New routine no screens after 5.30 calm chat and calm games no throwing around climbing etc.
Limit bath time toys
Low light while having milk with story in bed for 7 one story in bed low light quiet non excited voice.
Good night
Now 20 minutes and asleep

Sleeping into 7 is a result though

Always fall asleep in bed don't move them.....we all wake through the night and self settle but opening your eyes in a place you didn't fall asleep in would properly wake you up. If your child needs you as their comfort and your in your own bed they are going to be screaming for you.

Thanks @jannier some really good points , Im definitely going to work on what happens before we go to her room and also minimal stimulation in her room

@SiouxsieSiouxStiletto I've ordered the book :-)

What time is her nap?
It's likely that she isn't tired enough for bedtime depending on when her nap is.
You don't need to do controlled crying or any of those "sleep training" methods for your child to sleep, they know how to sleep.
It's likely to be to do with not enough sleep pressure being built up if she's not going down until 9:30pm but you're taking her up at 7:30pm.

Mine was the same and nap was capped to 30min already so we dropped it at 25months. Took a couple of weeks to adjust and by 4pm toddler was quite grumpy so we brought everything forwards - dinner at 430pm, then bath story and in bed by 545pm/6pm - toddler was then asleep within 3mins and started sleeping through until 7/730am for the first time ever!

No controlled crying or sleep training, and the only tears were grumpy tired tears in that first adjustment period.

Thank you @Toddler101 and @kernowpicklepie really interesting

In serious need of help.. my little one has just turned 3 and it’s like he’s gone backwards. I will put him down at 8pm and 2 hours later he’s awake and then has me up every 45 mins to an hour intervals.
it doesn’t matter what time I put him down to be honest. Them first 2 hours you could get a Hurd of elephants in his room. But then after that it’s game over.
he just makes noises and moans all night. Wanting a cuddle or just shouting for me. I can’t cope much longer. I’m 3 weeks In and at my wits end.
when I’m here he won’t let dad settle him so now and again I do have to disappear to get some sleep as I also work long hours but he’s the same with dad. He never used to be like this. Can someone please help???

Is he over tiered? 8 is very late if he doesn't nap many 36 to 40 month olds still need up to an hour. Have you ever felt exhausted and not be able to sleep?

@Siobhan31 over tired? Cold?