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At wits end with 3 year olds sleep

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trombolese · 21/12/2022 05:14

Really hoping someone sees this shout into the void 🫠 I’m so sorry for the length of this and I hope I include as much info as poss.

My nearly 3yo DS is an absolutely atrocious sleeper. We have hourly sometimes half hourly wake ups every single night and this has been since birth.

Some background: he had severe silent reflux as a baby which went misdiagnosed by lots of doctors who thought it was colic/milk allergies etc until his paediatrician finally listened and gave us omeprazole which did help to settle him but still very frequent wake ups (this was when he was about 9 months, it was during covid so I try not to hold it against anyone too much but it was dire times), Following on from this he then developed the biggest tonsils known to man kind (the surgeon who took them out said he should have won an award for this beauties) and had very severe obstructive sleep apnea as a result which meant he was waking up screaming every 15 mins or so because he stopped breathing for 30 seconds every minute (I wish I was exaggerating, it was fucking awful). He was also drinking a lot of milk/shakes during this time as he physically couldn’t swallow (on peads advice) and so was very miserable, hungry and just generally sad a lot of the time so we were waking up a lot and giving him what he wanted as we were concerned about weight loss etc. He had them out in September this year which vastly improved his quality of sleep and we really thought we’d cracked it. He stopped drinking milk full stop and started drinking more water and eating more and was just a much much happier and more settled and more energetic child. Then he started chugging about 4 x 330ml of water a day followed by 3 x that a night. We were having to change his nappy regularly as otherwise he’d wake up soaked. It was really excessive but he was absolutely relentless so obviously was THAT thirsty. He never falls asleep with a beaker/drink so it’s not comfort.

We had him tested for diabetes which came back negative thankfully so the doctor advised to have a really rough period of cutting down water and see what happens. We cut down the water but he still wees a fair bit and needs changing etc which never seems to wake him up but I don’t think this is too problematic. HOWEVER, all of the time all of this has been going on some nights he will come into our bed for a cuddle and just lay there awake for hours and hours - he will do the same in his own bed too. For example; tonight he came into my bed at 1:30am and it’s now 5am and he’s only just gone back to sleep. We cuddle him, reassure him, recognise his fears and anxieties (he’s scared of the dark so we keep the hall light on). We try ignoring him, facing away from him, facing him so he can see us asleep, singing to him, just everything you could think of. Now he’s nearly 3 we are getting a lot of excuses as to why he’s not asleep I.e “my pillow isn’t cold/hot enough” and loads of small things like that. This goes on for hooooours some nights.

I think it is behavioural but my question is, how do I resolve this? I’m going to seek medical advice as it’s just not maintainable in the slightest and I really thought it would have passed by now but wondering if anyone has experience the same thing with their toddler? I have had the flu this week and been in bed since Friday meaning I’ve not been able to get up with him and my partner is just exhausted (we share getting up with him).

He doesn’t wake up at the same time every night and sometimes only will wake up a few times (depressing that we consider this a good night 🫠) but mostly it is hourly/2 hourly. He very rarely naps in the day but if he does it makes no difference to his sleep. He falls asleep perfectly at night and we have a good and calming bedtime routine. We do various stimulating bits in the day, clubs, nursery etc but nothing too overstimulating for him so I think he’s the right amount of tired (as in tired enough from the day but not so tired that he’s wired), I think I’ve mostly covered everything. Oh and he also has a weighted blanket which has made sod all difference to the tune of £50 and we’ve tried essential oils and all that jazz.

TIA!

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Flurbegurb · 21/12/2022 05:29

Have you tried "it's night time, back to sleep"? Or a gro clock?

Sounds like a massive amount of stimulation in the middle of the night instead of boring and quiet and pitch black.

Cornettoninja · 21/12/2022 05:38

That sounds really tough. I agree that it does sound in part behavioural but I wonder if your ds is actually struggling with insomnia - it just sounds so extreme.

I would be looking into melatonin at this point myself. It used to be it could only be prescribed by a paediatrician but I don’t know if that’s still the case. This link is a pretty comprehensive look at it and the issues caused by lack of it www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/232138

trombolese · 21/12/2022 07:11

Can I ask what part is over stimulating? We speak in absolute hushed tones at all times (we have 2 other kids in the house) and yes of course we have tried “it’s night time go to sleep”…..I think we may be past that 🙈 he doesn’t come into our bed for a cuddle aa such more just to co-sleep so nothing really stimulating there either.

We haven’t actually tried a glo clock but I would be willing to. My experience with them as a mum and nanny has been hit and miss though. Thank you for your suggestion x

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trombolese · 21/12/2022 07:16

Cornettoninja · 21/12/2022 05:38

That sounds really tough. I agree that it does sound in part behavioural but I wonder if your ds is actually struggling with insomnia - it just sounds so extreme.

I would be looking into melatonin at this point myself. It used to be it could only be prescribed by a paediatrician but I don’t know if that’s still the case. This link is a pretty comprehensive look at it and the issues caused by lack of it www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/232138

Thank you so much, I think you’re right and it does feel like insomnia and we should start looking into more hefty ways of dealing with it. He never ever wants to get up or go downstairs, it’s not like he’s waking up at a ridiculous hour for playtime, he is just lying there awake/quietly talking to himself/trying to get comfortable and wants some company.

Part of me thinks it’s also now an innate fear of sleeping as from birth he’s had such terrible issues. Poor thing, it breaks my heart more than anything I just want to help him 😣

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Mummyboy1 · 21/12/2022 07:17

I don't think it's just behavioural, I agree with the melatonin. How does he fall asleep when you put him to bed? It sounds like he's had a very difficult medical start to life, and you all need some help.

Flurbegurb · 21/12/2022 07:17

We cuddle him, reassure him, recognise his fears and anxieties (he’s scared of the dark so we keep the hall light on). We try ignoring him, facing away from him, facing him so he can see us asleep, singing to him, just everything you could think of.

That whole bit, especially the light and the singing, it stood out to me as what I eventually realised my son needed was to just be left alone in a dark, cool environment and not have me there disturbing him. Took me a long time to realise that though. He slept so much better after I realised this, was around 2.5.

Cornettoninja · 21/12/2022 12:03

Part of me thinks it’s also now an innate fear of sleeping as from birth he’s had such terrible issues

I think this is unlikely, sleep always wins out in the end and he wouldn’t be stirring from a deep sleep iyswim. I think your issues would be front loaded at trying to get him to sleep in the first place if that was the case.

trombolese · 21/12/2022 20:09

Cornettoninja · 21/12/2022 12:03

Part of me thinks it’s also now an innate fear of sleeping as from birth he’s had such terrible issues

I think this is unlikely, sleep always wins out in the end and he wouldn’t be stirring from a deep sleep iyswim. I think your issues would be front loaded at trying to get him to sleep in the first place if that was the case.

Yes totally makes sense. Maybe he physically can’t fall into a deep sleep? Gah I don’t know. I am exhausted. Going to speak to a GP tomorrow.

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