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I’ve hired a sleep consultant, and this is how it’s going…

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Sleepymamasclub · 10/10/2022 11:33

NC just in case I get recognised on here :)

I’ve hired a sleep consultant and I thought it could be interesting to others to make a thread to keep track of things.

DD2 is 6m old. Big old baby, started weaning and eating well. EBF. Having started life as a good sleeper, since the regression she has been waking 2-4 times a night to feed, and taking most of her milk at night. This has been tricky for me as she won’t feed around others during the day or if there is even the smallest noise or distraction, and then she makes up for it overnight. It’s especially hard when DD1 is around as I feel like I’m constantly rejecting her and trying to keep her away from feeding DD2. More so than the broken sleep, managing feeding during the day has been what has pushed me to go for it with the sleep consultant.

The sleep consultant told me that once a baby is over 7kg they don’t (physiologically) need night feeds, although not feeding DD at night would be very hard on both of us as she is getting most of her calories at night. She said that ultimately DD is waking for feeds and is used to milk overnight, so we need to cut the night feeds. Her advice was to reduce all the feeds at once, and then cut them all at once. She said that it’s more consistent to do it this way rather than one at a time.

She told me that we don’t need a really rigid routine and as long as the wake window before bedtime is okay not to worry too much about naps etc, which I’m really happy with. DD isn’t in a strict routine but she naps well, self settles in the cot for longer naps or sleeps on the go, and is awake 3.5-4h before bed.

The Plan:

DD is able to settle by herself for naps but struggles at bedtime unless I sit with her, so the initial plan was to sit with her while she falls asleep.

At wake ups, try to settle her in bed for ten minutes unless she is really distressed and wants a feed. If I feed her, it’s for a maximum of five minutes on one side, then she goes back in the cot awake and I settle her with my voice/stroking etc.

Night one:

Bedtime was okay, settled with me next to her by 7.30. Woke at 11. Quickly realised she wasn’t going back down so I fed her for five minutes and settled her in bed. She was easy to settle. She woke again at 2 and I was able to settle her in bed without a feed. It took nearly an hour(!) although she wasn’t ever really upset. She then skipped her usual 4am wake up and slept til 6.30.

She fed loads better in the day.

Night two:

Very similar to night one. She woke at 10 and I fed her but she took less milk and only fed for 4 minutes before she nearly fell asleep, so I settled her again in bed. Woke at 2am again and fell asleep again just before 3. She was a little frustrated trying to go to sleep but calmer than the night before. Slept til 7am.

Feeding in the day was great. Even fed well while we were out which hasn’t happened in ages. Feeling so much more positive about feeding.

Night three:

She fell asleep with me pottering in her room, reassuring her with my voice. Woke at 10 for her feed but hardly took any milk - I didn’t feel a let down. She still seemed to really want that ritual of feeding though. I think it would have been tough to settle her without it. She then slept until 4.30(!) before she woke up. She didn’t seem to want a feed so even though I thought I could get her back to sleep with a feed, I held out. I really want the good feeding in the daytime to continue and this is a big motivator for me. Obviously it took a lot longer to get her back to sleep and I rocked her back to sleep by 6am and I woke her for the day at 8am. Feeling tired today!!

I spoke to the sleep consultant again today and the plan is shifting now that the night feeds have reduced so much. Time to cut them altogether now.

The New Plan:

She has advised that I pop in and out at bedtime while she settles to sleep, to signal a change in the nighttime routine, and to do the same when she wakes in the night. Very frequent check ins with a maximum of two minutes out of the room, and I can reassure with my voice from the corridor if I need to. She said that if DD doesn’t seem like she will be able to settle after 20 minutes or so, to return to settling her by her cot. We agreed that at 4.30 it might be that she needs rocking back to sleep, but unless she is very distressed to give her the chance to go back over by herself.

Sleep consultant seemed optimistic that once the expectation of feeding is broken, she will wake a lot less. We will see! If anyone is interested I will update tomorrow :)

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NotLactoseFree · 10/10/2022 11:38

Good luck.

I just came on to say that DS also didn't really feed well during the day or out in public etc. He also wasn't a good sleeper.

10+ years later, we now fully understand it is because he has Sensory Processing Disorder. It does sound like you are turning things around so it might well that all is good, but thought I'd mention it.

Sleepymamasclub · 10/10/2022 11:44

Gosh I would never have thought of that. I’ve found the feeding problem started during the regression. She went from waking 1-2 times a night to 3-6 times. When she woke very often I fed her back to sleep each time because it was easiest, and then she didn’t need milk in the day and round and round it went. I had similar with DD1 but there was only one of them to think about then, so it was easier to ensure she had the quiet she needed for feeding, to break the cycle.

Were there any other signs early on? Thank you for the heads up!

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NotLactoseFree · 10/10/2022 11:53

IN retrospect, so many signs! Grin Dressing him was always a nightmare - especially anything that had to go over his head. He cried and cried. (when he was about t6 we discovered seamless bamboo socks and it completely changed our lives. He also hasn't worn jeans or wool jumpers since he was old enough to have an opinion....)

He hated anywhere with loud noises - we couldn't do coffee shops etc because the machines freaked him out. As for public bathrooms... hahahaha, total no go.

He loved movement, but it didn't send him to sleep mostly. So we spent a lot of time with him

NotLactoseFree · 10/10/2022 11:54

sorry, pressed send.

Spent a lot of time with him in the pram while he would just happily look around. He did sleep in the car though, which was a relief.

Sleepymamasclub · 10/10/2022 12:00

That sounds really tough! I will definitely keep this stuff in mind, though she is pretty chilled out mostly, except when she is teething.

DD1 can be a bit funny about her socks being on just right, and doesn’t like jumpers. Wants her sleeves rolled up past her elbows and often pulls her leggings up over her knees. It’s crossed my mind before whether it’s a sensory issue or just toddler stuff. Time will tell I guess!

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SquirrelSoShiny · 10/10/2022 12:03

DC was a great sleeper then nightmare sleeper. High anxiety at bedtime. Turns out ADHD. Keep an eye on the sleep thing over time.

NotLactoseFree · 10/10/2022 12:03

Sleepymamasclub · 10/10/2022 12:00

That sounds really tough! I will definitely keep this stuff in mind, though she is pretty chilled out mostly, except when she is teething.

DD1 can be a bit funny about her socks being on just right, and doesn’t like jumpers. Wants her sleeves rolled up past her elbows and often pulls her leggings up over her knees. It’s crossed my mind before whether it’s a sensory issue or just toddler stuff. Time will tell I guess!

The sockshop does seamless bamboo socks for £1 a pair (if you buy a certain number, I think 3 pairs for the long ones and 5 for the short ones). It was completely life changing for us.

DS also wore a lot of cotton long sleeve t-shirts for years as he wouldn't wear jumpers or hoodies. He would, in extreme weather, wear a coat if it was very lightweight and very flexible. (although as a toddler it wasn't unusual for us to be out and about with him wearing linen trousers from H&M and a long-sleeved t-shirt). Hats are, obviously, out of the question although now as a pre-teen he quite likes gloves and a beanie as I think he is sensitive to the feel of cold air (he isn't cold, just doesn't like the feeling of it, if that makes sense. He went off to a football match wearing shorts, t-shirt and gloves yesterday!).

talknomore · 10/10/2022 12:15

I wish I knew all that info nearly 25 years ago when my DD was giving me sleepless nights for months, and then my son! Good luck with this new routine and soon you will feel much better.

Sleepymamasclub · 10/10/2022 12:31

@NotLactoseFree she is fine with ordinary socks just doesn’t like them to be twisted at all, which is fair enough. She can be particular but it’s not problematic, like she won’t have a meltdown over it. Behaviour wise she is pretty reasonable by toddler standards.

Interesting that two of you have mentioned possible SEN - I thought that tricky sleep post 4m regression was pretty normal! I will hold it in mind but will avoid a googling rabbit hole for now!

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Sleepymamasclub · 10/10/2022 12:35

@talknomore I know the feeling! I wish I’d hired someone to help with DD1’s sleep as a baby! She was so much worse (though thankfully now she is fine).

She also told me that being really full before bed doesn’t impact on a baby’s sleep beyond the newborn phase. Really helpful info I wish I’d known with DD1 when I panicked if she had less dinner/milk before bed! Could have saved a lot of energy.

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Desmondo2021 · 10/10/2022 12:36

Oh goodness me I'm not sure mentioning SEN for a 6m old that likes waking and had a slightly erratic feed schedule is particularly helpful tbh! OP sounds very normal to me and it sounds like your new commitment and structure will soon sort things out! Good luck!

quietnightmare · 10/10/2022 12:50

Good luck io

SquirrelSoShiny · 10/10/2022 16:49

Yes sleep regression is common but just saying that if I had my time again I would have spotted that disrupted sleep was one of DC's most obvious ADHD traits.

I didn't spot it because I have ADHD myself so being crap at going to bed seemed normal to me 😬So hopefully it will all settle beautifully but if a pattern begins to emerge over time, keep an open mind. Looking back DC was quite intense and sensitive from no age at all and I wish I had understood sooner.

Pantheon · 11/11/2022 12:37

Hi @Sleepymamasclub how is sleep going now? My baby is a few rmonths older and I need to cut the night feeds too but keep chickening out!

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