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Overtired 7 week-old

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FrizzledFrazzle · 07/08/2022 18:34

My DS is 7 weeks old. He gets really overtired most evenings and then can't get to sleep for hours. Any tips on how to manage this better?

On a perfect day, he falls asleep around 7pm, then wakes at around 10.30pm, 1.30am and 5am overnight, before waking up for the day at around 6.30am. He's breastfed but DH gives him the 1.30am feed using expressed milk.

On a bad day, he gets tired and sleepy, feeds as if he is going to sleep at 7pm, but just before dropping off wakes up again. He then gets more and more tired, and as we go through repeated cycles of soothing (feeding, snuggling and sucking finger(refuses dummy), walking/swaying and singing, walking in baby carrier) he starts staring at shadows and patterns on the walls, and then wakes himself up to stare at something else every time he gets close to dropping off. Eventually, he is totally exhausted, screaming in distress and sometimes hungry but too upset to properly latch and feed.

Sometimes taking him for a car ride (at 11pm, yay!) allows him to sleep enough to either feed calmly and sleep or be rocked to sleep. But not always. Last night he didn't properly settle until after midnight. And that was after 3 car rides, 3 long feeds and finally a bottle of formula milk because he randomly refused to drink the expressed milk.

What can we do to help him sleep when he is tired and not get so overtired in the first place? Or is this just a phase that we need to get through?

One thing that could be an issue is that he sleeps in the living room until the 1.30 feed. DH stays with him and then brings him to our room, where he sleeps in a next-to-me style bedside cot. Would not spending the whole night on his cot affect his ability to settle/realise that it is sleep time? We also have the light on in the living room in the evening, although even if we didn't it is still daylight until about 8.30pm.

I'd love to have a more consistent "bedtime routine" but fundamentally I just want him to be able to get to sleep at night without a chaotic evening and hours of distress.

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Sexismdoesntrule · 07/08/2022 18:42

I feel like the chaotic bedtime badge is one all parents eventually achieve 😂.

In all seriousness - if you’ve already looked at nap times/developmental leaps then I’d take a look at soporific breathing techniques.
Babies match their breathing and heart rate to yours so if you lower your heart rate and breathing it will help them chill the fuck out and go to sleep.

Sometimes my partner would look at me like I was crazy doing labour style breathing. It’s all that worked some evenings 🥲along with a tight cuddle. It was like magic.

FrizzledFrazzle · 08/08/2022 09:15

@Sexismdoesntrule Thanks for this, it's really helpful.

Tried using a mindfulness exercise plus "soothing soundscape" whilst feeding yesterday evening. Purely for my benefit not his! Also mentally prepared for him to be awake for hours and reminded myself that I was feeding/soothing/relaxing to make the time pleasant for both of us, not to make him go to sleep.

He was fussy for about an hour, but apart from a few minutes of utter rage (because I dared to change his dirty nappy when he wanted food now!) it was much better and he fell asleep about 8.30pm. May have been a fluke, but at least we all got a bit more sleep!

On daytime naps and development:

  • his vision and visual processing has definitely improved a lot in the last few weeks. This definitely contributes to him getting overstimulated by complex visual environments, especially in the evening/afternoon. "Complex" includes buses, car parks and supermarkets unfortunately.
  • he doesn't have a consistent nap schedule for the daytime yet. Partly because he's so young but also I think because of the evening chaos. Yesterday he was basically sleepy all day with only very short periods spent awake but not eating. Today he's spent longer awake already, but has now been snoozing for at least 30 minutes, which feels like a good start to the day.
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GetOutOfMyVadge · 11/01/2023 12:24

You’re doing fantastically

  • Safe bed sharing combined with feeding in the side lying position
  • Sling
  • contact naps, skin to skin with you (and dad) and when BF in the laid back position. Look up ‘fourth trimester’ if you haven’t already. Skin to skin especially when too upset to latch
  • Mindfulness stuff sounds good - look up Co-regulation if you haven’t already
  • latch MOT at a local group to ensure most efficient milk transfer, maybe try adding in compressions too
  • ignore schedules but pay attention to ‘wake windows’
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