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Sillymummies123 · 25/06/2022 05:07

Hi all,

As in title ^. 10 months old, has slept through the night with for a few months prior to the last fortnight (before that, she had one wake for feed and that's it).

For the last fortnight she has begun her tired cry between 4-430am and has been wide awake and chatting thereafter. Understandably, were dying inside. Our other child is almost 3, so we feel any form of ferbering is, for now, unlikely to make things better. We've tried nappy and milk, just milk, ignoring, rocking, but by 5am she is just loudly shouting and standing up. 10 months into our second child we're sudddnly feeling more sleep deprived than we ever have before.

Every resource online says "don't try to keep them up later", but we're sort of at our wits end and that's seeming the obvious option right now (with a few rough days while she transitions).

Please tell me whether the later bedtime is insane or obvious to you also.

Thanks

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Sillymummies123 · 25/06/2022 12:18

LapinR0se · 25/06/2022 11:05

She is overtired because the lunchtime nap is too short and the gap before bedtime is too long.
The overtiredness is causing Early morning waking due to raised cortisol levels.
Things to try:


  • complete blackout in the bedroom, not a sliver of light coming in

  • if you are under a flight path or have a lot of traffic noise early morning, use a white noise machine or app

  • make sure she is not cold as 4.30 is coldest time of night


Routine:
9.30-10 morning nap is fine
Lunchtime nap should be 12.30 to 2.30 or 3.
Bedtime 6.30pm and if the lunchtime nap is short or finishes before 2pm then 6pm bedtime.

Make sure that she is having 3 proper meals and sufficient milk to rule
out hunger.

Ok thank you. The advice to have a longer nap, whilst potentially a resolution to the problem, does rely on her agreeing to it, which is unlikely in my experience 😅

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Aria999 · 25/06/2022 12:21

I would make sure it is dark in there and then try to ride it out.

With dd I used to go in, say 'it's still nighttime baby, you need to go back to sleep', tuck her back in, and go away. Just like I would at 1am.

She got it eventually.

OompaLoompaa · 25/06/2022 12:23

I’d try one nap around lunch time, max 1.5 hours.

LapinR0se · 25/06/2022 12:29

@Sillymummies123 That normally means the gap between the morning and lunchtime nap is too short, the nap conditions are not right (too bright or noisy or cold or whatever), or there is an unsustainable sleep association eg feeding or rocking to sleep

LapinR0se · 25/06/2022 12:29

OompaLoompaa · 25/06/2022 12:23

I’d try one nap around lunch time, max 1.5 hours.

This would exacerbate the problem

Sillymummies123 · 25/06/2022 12:49

This thread is wonderfully indicative of the problem with seeking parenting advice on literally any issue, in that you always relieve polar advice.😂

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Daftasabroom · 25/06/2022 12:57

@Sillymummies123 youngest DS was an absolute pain to get to sleep until we moved and he had to share with his older brother while we renovated the place. Literally the first night we put him in bed and he rolled over went straight to sleep. 🙄

So my only advice would be to move a run down fixer upper.

Sillymummies123 · 25/06/2022 12:59

Daftasabroom · 25/06/2022 12:57

@Sillymummies123 youngest DS was an absolute pain to get to sleep until we moved and he had to share with his older brother while we renovated the place. Literally the first night we put him in bed and he rolled over went straight to sleep. 🙄

So my only advice would be to move a run down fixer upper.

Well we just had some ricotta cake (a dash of marsala within) so if all else fails - sedative cake for the win 😉

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Sillymummies123 · 26/06/2022 06:14

Follow-up for any future readers of this thread. Naps were kept the same as always but we put her to bed at 730pm and she's only just woken up so that worked.

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WobbleHead · 27/06/2022 15:15

So she went from 2:30pm to 7:30pm awake? How many days/weeks have you been using the new routine?

WobbleHead · 27/06/2022 15:16

D’oh just seen posting date of your earlier post lol

itsgettingweird · 27/06/2022 15:19

My ds was always an early riser. Later joust didn't change this.

He's now 17 and gets up at 4am 4 times a week and 5am once a week for swim training.

Maybe take her to the pool and see if she's a potential swimmer (it may also tire her) Grin

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