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16 week old sleep

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Pebe156 · 10/04/2022 14:07

My DS is 16 weeks. He’s a EBF baby who has a dummy to settle him to sleep. As a newborn, he would wake 3 times a night for a feed and go straight back to sleep in his Moses basket. For the past 6 weeks he has been waking every 45 mins - 1 hour. I AM SO TIRED!

What am I doing wrong?!

He is never awake for more that 1.5 hours in the day. He will nap for around an hour and I feed him upon waking (he will also wait he doesn’t wake up demanding food) and before going back to sleep (he doesn’t feed to sleep) but will only sleep on me. I sit and pat his bum until he drops off.

Every time he goes in the Moses basket he screams. We have been putting him in a cot in his own room (I know this isn’t what is recommended - I’m desperate!) he has a dummy and a ‘lovey’. I’ve been trying to implement the NCSS with no luck.

We have tried cosleeping and end up doing this most nights but he still constantly wakes and I find it really uncomfortable! I also want some time with my DH!

I know I should put him in the cot awake but he will absolutely not go to sleep! He will talk to himself for 5 mins and then cry or just cry as soon as I put him down!

My DH thinks we should give him formula before bed. Does this actually work? Is the answer naps in the cot? Or just wait it out?!

Please help!

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FATEdestiny · 10/04/2022 15:05

Its tricky. But you are going through the stage that all (or at least most) babies go through as they leave the "fourth trimester". So it's not like your baby is harder work than any others, they all go thro it. Parents just learn, adapt and find a way to cope.

The key to independent sleep is going to sleep independently, as you mention.

You say he will absolutely not go to sleep in such a way that it suggests you thought this might be easy (ish) to achieve. It absolutely isn't. Teaching baby to sleep independently is fucking hard graft. Its:

  • labour intensive
  • time intensive
  • frustrating
  • unrewarding for a long time
  • dull and incredibly monotonous
  • never ending. All day, all night, every day, day after day, week after week, month after month...

You mention being 6 weeks into trying to get him to sleep independently and seem to have given it up as an impossible job. 6 weeks is a teeny drop in the ocean of time and daily-grind effort needed.

So your first decision - is sleeping independently worth the effort to you

It's a personal question and will be a different answer for everyone. Generally speaking, there are two pathways ahead:

(1) Attachment parenting
This means you just totally don't try to get baby sleeping independently at all. It's a battle you choose not to have. You are your babys source of comfort at all times

(2) Independent Sleep
This isnt something that 'just happens'. You need to focus on good quality comforting, but in an independent way.

Dummy helps. You need to utilise it well though. Its impossible to cry while simultaneously sucking. So if baby is crying when put down, you need to work on dummy use. It isnt just 'put in mouth and hope for the best'.

  • get baby to reach for dummy with mouth instead of just putting it in. Tickle cheek or upper lip with teat for this.
  • gentle tapping on outside triggers sucking
  • if crying with dummy in and tapping doesn't get baby sucking, remove and start again. Think of it as a poor latch - no point carrying on. Pull off and try again. You may need to keep in doing this until baby starts sucking and stays sucking.
  • keep sucking going (by tapping) as babys eyes close. But then allow mouth muscles to blacken and dummy torso. This means baby is in a deep sleep. Remove dummy until next needed (ie if stirring awake)

Daytime naps in something that moves will help. I favour the bouncy chair. Pram pushed back and forth on the spot works too.

Swaddle helps - it reduces stimulation when putting baby down. But if you haven't already established swaddle use, it's too late now.

Sidecar cot helps at night (full sized cot with one side removed, butted up to your bed). It means you can cuddle close to settle baby in the night, but with baby in their own space. Then you can extract yourself after baby settles.

Realistic expectations matter too. Baby might grumble, but you get baby sucking on dummy to stop it. Then if daytime, use movement of bouncer to lull to sleep. If night, swaddle and cuddle close to settle. Neither are easy though. You have to dedicate the time and effort, every sleep time, all the time, long term, to make it happen.

Pebe156 · 10/04/2022 21:47

@FATEdestiny Thank you so much for such a detailed response! You sound like an expert! I would love DS to sleep independently so I will persevere - easier said than done when knackered!! Interesting about the dummy - he loves to spit it out to yell louder! Tonight I have let him sleep on me for 20 mins and then transferred to cot. He slept for an hour and a half and then woke up to feed. Do you think I need to stop letting him sleep on me and put him in the cot awake? I’m not expecting him to sleep through I don’t mind getting up a few times to feed I’d just like him to sleep longer stretches. Thank you again!

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FATEdestiny · 11/04/2022 18:20

Do you think I need to stop letting him sleep on me and put him in the cot awake?

This would be what you're working towards, yes.

Pebe156 · 12/04/2022 09:51

@FATEdestiny So I gave it a go last night. Did the bedtime routine at 6, rocked him and put him down almost asleep about 7. Tried shushing, patting him, tapping the dummy, was almost in the cot with him. He grumbled until he was eventually screaming. Would then pick him up and start again. He’d eventually drop off but then wake up 10 minutes later. Did this until 2am (fed him every couple of hours incase he was hungry) and then gave up and brought him to bed with us. Do I just keep doing this or am I missing something?!

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Pebe156 · 12/04/2022 12:09

Is the sidecar thing a must? Our bed has a wooden frame around it so the cot wouldn’t be flush next to the bed. He can’t roll back to front but I wouldn’t put it past him - in his eyes he MUST be next to me at all times so he’d probably take this as an opportunity to learn!

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FATEdestiny · 12/04/2022 17:35

Do I just keep doing this

More or less. As I said - it's hard work, frustrating, time consuming and relentless.

Don't expect a quick fix.

Certain things make independent sleep easier (but are not magic wands). Dummy is one. Sidecar cot is another. Swaddle is another. Naps in something that moves is another.

Are these things a must? No, they're not. They just make the (long, arduous, frustrating) process slightly easier.

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