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livinthedream1995 · 07/03/2022 23:47

I’m at my wits end with my 20 month old and his mad sleep. Sorry this is gonna be long as want to get as much info in as possible.

We sleep trained at 8ish months using a very gradual retreat, took a few weeks but it appeared to work. Got to the point where we can put him down with a dummy, say night love you and leave. For a while he slept well, but would wake up at 5.30am. But that was fine, he slept well the majority of the time.

Then he hit 12 months and started having split nights. These were and still are absolute hell. They range anywhere between 1 to 5 hours. He’s happy as Larry during these split nights the majority of the time - if he’s in our bed clambering everywhere or if we’re sat by his cot watching him run around playing. If we leave him to it he descends into hysteria very very quickly. Split nights sometimes are linked to illness in our case, but not always. They’re not every night, but when they happen they’re absolutely awful.

Then in the last couple of months he’s started being an absolute nightmare at bedtime. Running round his cot, throwing everything out, then screaming at the top of his voice for me to go in there, him to laugh and point to show me where said items he’s thrown are, rinse and repeat for up to 2 hours after bedtime. This isn’t every night, tonight he went down within 10 mins.

He sometimes does the same thing at nap times - messes around for ages, throwing things out the cot etc. other times he’s falling asleep in his lunch at 12pm.

Then there’s the new thing of him randomly sitting up, absolutely screaming the house down until we go in there. He’s done it just now and I’m in the next room - there was no build up to this, no warning grizzling or whinging, just went from asleep to sat bolt upright screaming hysterically. Sometimes all we’ll need to do is say it’s okay, you’re alright night love you and he’s fine and we can leave. Other times we have to sit and wait with him until he falls asleep.

and then sometimes he goes to bed nicely, sleeps through and naps well. But this is becoming increasingly rare.

I’m at my wits end with it all. We recently tweaked his bedtime routine - since having my youngest 10 weeks ago we fell into a bad habit of going and watching TV after bath and cuddling on the sofa. I realised this wouldn’t help matters having TV before bed, so last 2 weeks routine has been dinner, bath, teeth, stories, cuddles and then bed. Also moved his bedtime back from 8pm to 7.30pm in case it was overtired was causing the hyperactive behaviour at bedtimes. Until recently he reliably napped 12-2. I’ve been experimenting with his nap recently as sleeping for 2 hours seemed to make the messing around for hours at bedtime more frequent, but I’m struggling to find the right time for him to go down and the right amount of time for him to nap for.

He doesn’t really have a consistent wake up time, anywhere between 6 and 7.30 is pretty normal and generally depends on what sort of night he’s had.

I just don’t really know where to start with making things better for both him and us. A massive problem is that he picks up SO MANY illnesses, so sleep is regularly derailed by this and when he’s poorly I usually bring him in with me as then at least I have a chance of settling him. He’s naturally quite highly strung, always has been. Always been very very vocal when he doesn’t like something. But obviously he’s even more sensitive when he’s not slept properly. I also am so so tired.

If you’ve made it this far, can anyone please please offer some advice?? I can’t do controlled crying for a few reasons - he shares a room with big brother who has to get up for school, as previously mentioned he’s very sensitive and he would become hysterical VERY quickly and because it would set me on edge having to listen to him absolutely howling. So any suggestions outside of controlled crying appreciated please.

sorry this is quite rambly, I’m very tired ha.

Tia!!

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merrymelodies · 08/03/2022 00:23

I don't think there are any solutions apart from some form of light discipline. Now that he's used to the attention he gets, he'll scream himself silly if you don't go in to him. So try going in to him when he cries, make sure he's okay and then say something like "It's quiet time now. Go to sleep please." Say it firmly and leave immediately. And repeat.

molsmumx · 08/03/2022 00:45

We went through the exact same not long ago, it was the worst regression imo!! Only thing I can say is, ride it out. We found shorter nap times helped, but we had to stop dds naps past 1pm as it was a contributing factor to the regression. I hope things sort out for you asap x

livinthedream1995 · 08/03/2022 06:37

@merrymelodies

I don't think there are any solutions apart from some form of light discipline. Now that he's used to the attention he gets, he'll scream himself silly if you don't go in to him. So try going in to him when he cries, make sure he's okay and then say something like "It's quiet time now. Go to sleep please." Say it firmly and leave immediately. And repeat.
You’re right he absolutely will scream himself silly. I guess we’ve kind of pandered to it for a few reasons - to try avoid waking up his school-age brother, to avoid waking my BIL who has several times made shitty comments about him screaming in the night and I worry cos we live in a terrace house I’m conscious of our neighbours and keeping them up. Equally though something has to give. How long would you leave it before going back into the room after saying “it’s quiet time, go to sleep now please”?
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livinthedream1995 · 08/03/2022 06:39

@molsmumx

We went through the exact same not long ago, it was the worst regression imo!! Only thing I can say is, ride it out. We found shorter nap times helped, but we had to stop dds naps past 1pm as it was a contributing factor to the regression. I hope things sort out for you asap x
Honestly it feels like this kid hits every single regression going!!! He’s so different to my eldest who generally was an amazing sleeper unless he was poorly. Thank you for the support x
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Wulfenite · 08/03/2022 06:47

My son would never sleep twelve hours. Not even as a tiny baby. Nine or ten tops. He's six now and the same. I ended up surviving by just putting him down when I went down, and he was tired enough to go then. Didn't get evenings back and had to decide some TV on the sofa wasn't the worst thing, but it avoided tears and him getting super upset at night which, once he got going, could go on a long time. I have no problems disciplining my kid but to my mind it's not about discipline at that hour - it's about tiredness and their fear of abandonment and really seems to bypass rational thought. Probably a crap way of doing things but honestly if I tried to put him down earlier and more tactically it ended up being pretty much the same time he fell asleep anyway, the difference being I spent all evening on the project instead of relaxing or getting anything done.

livinthedream1995 · 08/03/2022 17:19

@Wulfenite

My son would never sleep twelve hours. Not even as a tiny baby. Nine or ten tops. He's six now and the same. I ended up surviving by just putting him down when I went down, and he was tired enough to go then. Didn't get evenings back and had to decide some TV on the sofa wasn't the worst thing, but it avoided tears and him getting super upset at night which, once he got going, could go on a long time. I have no problems disciplining my kid but to my mind it's not about discipline at that hour - it's about tiredness and their fear of abandonment and really seems to bypass rational thought. Probably a crap way of doing things but honestly if I tried to put him down earlier and more tactically it ended up being pretty much the same time he fell asleep anyway, the difference being I spent all evening on the project instead of relaxing or getting anything done.
If it works for you then it’s not crap! My problem is he’s so grouchy when he doesn’t get enough sleep. For example last night he went down without a problem, but woke up screaming every 2-4 hours. I have no idea why, I’m not sure if he’s too young for nightmares or if it’s something else? He settled quickly, but it’s still very broken sleep and was so grotty and angry all morning until he had his nap. He’s much happier since having a nap, but now I think he’s probably slept too long in the day (1.5 hours) and is going to be a nightmare to go to bed again. It feels like we’re stuck in this rut and I just don’t know how to get out of it, for both our sakes!
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AliceW89 · 09/03/2022 20:33

He doesn’t really have a consistent wake up time, anywhere between 6 and 7.30 is pretty normal and generally depends on what sort of night he’s had

Sounds really tough. My thoughts would be that I’d tackle this. It’ll likely make it worse for a bit, but I’m in the camp that toddlers need both a really predictable routine and to be properly tired at bedtime to sleep well. I’d pick a set time, probably 6:30ish in your case (maybe earlier…), and have him up every day at that time. Then nap something like 12-13:30 or 12:30-14:00 (my DS copes better with more awake time in the morning, but some prefer more awake time in the afternoon - you’ll know this) and then aim to be asleep by 19:30. If he’s dropping off very quickly at 7:30 or is absolutely out like a log at 6:30 you might be able to increase the nap a smidge. If it’s still a struggle, try pushing bedtime back a bit - anything from 11h-14h total is normal at this range, so your DS may just be closer to the lower number.

You mention your 10 week old? Is there still enough time for your DS to be stimulated physically and mentally +++ during the day with lots of outside time? Mine needs to do something like a busy toddler group in the morning and then a 1.5h run around the park in the afternoon to sleep well at night.

Reluctantadult · 09/03/2022 20:37

My son did split nights when he was 11mo. I hired a sleep consultant. She advised controlled crying but starting with organising days a bit better so being very regimented with nap times and putting him to bed earlier. We started with the days and a couple of days later went to start controlled crying. In total honesty he did not cry. He was awake. He was happy. I left him to it with timed interval checks. Eventually he just went to sleep. About 3 nights later he slept through it. What it feels like now with the power of hindsight is that we were inadvertently feeding his wake ups.

Reluctantadult · 09/03/2022 20:38

For a while bedtime needed to be 5:30 because he was not napping enough in the day. He needed to catch up on sleep in order to sleep better.

livinthedream1995 · 10/03/2022 19:48

Thank you both!

@AliceW89 you’re right about a consistent wake up time, 6.30 sounds good. The earlier nap works better for my son, he definitely needs more wake time in the afternoon. I try and get him out everyday, it drives me mad staying indoors all day everyday tbh. Last week he had chickenpox, so this messed up his sleep anyway as he was really poorly with it, but even once he got over the feeling gritty and running temps constantly stage on day 4 we still couldn’t get him out and about as he didn’t scab up fully until day 6. I’ve got him out and about the last couple of days though to the park and soft play and it’s definitely made a difference, so will make a conscious effort to make sure we get out! It’s just hard sometimes as he gets poorly so often so we often end up stuck inside as he’s picked up yet another illness. He goes to nursery one full day and one half day and can go back tomorrow, so hopefully this helps too.

@Reluctantadult we will make sure we stick to set wake nap and bedtimes definitely. We can’t do controlled crying as he shares a room with my 6yo and it’s not fair on him, plus we’ve had shitty comments from BIL who lives with us about him screaming so it’s put me too on edge to do it tbh. He can go to sleep independently, so hopefully finding the right routine does the trick.

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