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newmumfeb21 · 18/08/2021 13:12

Hi All. I have a six month old DS and really struggling at the moment with both sleep and food, so the basics really (!)

We were muddling along sleepwise but everything seems to have gone to pot since the 4 month sleep regression. Prior to this I could pop him down swaddled and with white noise and he would sleep well, decent day naps and just waking for feeds at night (I still found this hugely challenging at the time recovering from the birth and DS had bad colic in the evenings, but how much easier it was..!) During the regression and subsequently he will only sleep now if fed to sleep (I am breastfeeding) or pushed in the pram. On a night he sits with us at dinner, bath then fed to sleep, usually in his cot by 9pm but wakes repeatedly despite white noise, and don't think he is too hot or cold. DH stays with him and picks him up / puts him down but if he's inconsolable will hold him til he (DH) goes to bed at 1/2am. DS will then wake every hour and a half on average with me til 7/8am (can be every half an hour) - I try and settle him without a feed, but quickly give in if his cries start to escalate. If this doesnt put him back to sleep I take him with me to the spare bed til wake up time as if left in the cot he will just cry and cry. In the spare bed I cling on to him / his little sleeping bag for dear life as I'm petrified about him rolling off, so not very restful. Napwise I try and aim for three a day with wake windows of 2h - 2.5h each, but it's just not working as he'll do 20m at home if fed to sleep or I have to walk for hours with the pram (not able to drive unfortunately).

The saving grace is that he's a jolly little chap during the day but with poor naps / walking for miles with the pram during the day I am knackered and dread the nights. I try and sleep between DS going down & DH going to bed but struggle to sleep at 9pm and by 1am I get up anyway, as feel terrible for DH, he has a full on job with long hours and has to drive early morning, so do worry for him.

Foodwise, have just started weaning but because of the feeding to sleep he has a feed every time he wakes and every time he goes back to sleep (unless popped in the pram) - if I can time it properly he loves eating solids, but most of the time he just isn't interested - guessing he is too full of milk?? I have a feeling that if the sleep improves this might sort itself.

I'm so tired and despondent I can't think of what else to put as background but very happy to answer any questions. Feel such a mess at the moment, would be so grateful for some help. I've Googled incessantly and would be happy to spend money on programmes / books etc if they would genuinely help, but everything seems so contradictory I don't know what to trust. I'm confused by wake windows and being under/over-tired - don't really see DS yawn or look tired as he used to when he was really tiny, he just goes from fine to grumpy very quickly. Am I putting him to bed too late? I have tried earlier but he just refused to sleep and I didn't push it, as DH has to work til late and likes to see him before DS sleeps, also I am petrified DS will want to start the day at 5am. Will DS learning to sleep independently help? If yes how do I persuade a "fed to sleep" baby to sleep independently? Putting down drowsy but awake" just results in prolonged screaming, no amount of patting or shushing helps, and if DS works himself up he can't seem to calm down / drop off. He won't take a dummy (we have tried).

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FATEdestiny · 18/08/2021 19:18

I'm going to start with something other than your baby's sleep:

I try and sleep between DS going down & DH going to bed but struggle to sleep at 9pm...

Not being able to sleep when given the opportunity, or being unwilling to, when sleep deprived and exhausted is a Red Flag for postnatal depression. I mention this because while treatment for PND won't change your child's sleep, it will give you much more strength to cope with it as it is and/or deal with the challenge of improving it.

Food

Font worry about it for now. From 6-9 months the idea would be to maintain milk intact at pre-weaning levels, adding solids meals in addition to milk, not in place of. This then builds up baby's diet so that 9-12m you start reducing milk gradually as a means to increase portion sizes.

Bedtime

Your baby currently has such disrupted sleep that bedtime doesn't overly matter. Certainly not something to be worried about now. So if 9pm works for you, it's fine.

Cosleeping

Is there a reason you don't embrace this full time? That would be the easy answer to get everyone more sleep with fewer tears - the path of least resistance. Make the cot into a sidecar cot next to your (parental) bed and you and baby sleep there, cosleeping from the outset if needed. If DH can't deal with baby crying at night, he moves to the spare room not you.

This allows you to carry on feeding to sleep without having to cope with the tears of sleep training.

Cosleeping verses Independent Sleep

Will DS learning to sleep independently help? If yes how do I persuade a "fed to sleep" baby to sleep independently?

If you intend to be your baby's source of comfort (by feeding to sleep), then you need to also accept full time cosleeping as explained above.

If you intend baby to sleep independently in the cot, then baby needs to learn to go to sleep in there and not be fed to sleep. So to answer your questions: Yes & with a lot of either time or crying.

Independent Sleep

The basic premise to all sleep training methods is to teach baby to go from awake to asleep in the cot. There are a million different ways to achieve this, which is where the conflicting advice comes from, but they all have the same goal and end point.

The wonder of the dummy is that while actively sucking it is impossible to cry. So dummies help baby learn to sleep independently without much crying.

Your baby doesn't have a dummy. So the first thing to say is that your baby will cry. No it's, buts or maybe. Learning to go from fully awake to asleep in the cot will be very hard, distressing and cause a lot of tears for your baby, used to being fed/cuddled to sleep and without the intellectual ability to understand why. Don't start sleep training unless you're prepared to cope with the crying (back to PND at start of my post), because half-ass doing this will make it work.

Of all the millions of methods, basically the methods which involve less crying take a lot of time (many months) to make progress. The methods which involve the most crying will see progress much faster (days).

Your choice on sleep training method comes down to your own resilience - how much crying and distress from your baby can you cope with as they learn independent sleep? That needs to be balanced against how much longer you can continue with poor sleep.

Daytime Naps

Have all naps on something that moves, without you going out. It makes life a million times easier. Bouncy chair is ideal - Sit baby in it at your feet as you sit on sofa and foot bounce as you watch TV. Or pram pushed non-stop back and forth on the spot.

Reduce awake time. 3 naps per day isn't enough for your baby. 60-90 minutes awake time would be ideal, no more than 2h. Persistant and cronic over-tiredness will be making everything harder and you could do with a few days in focusing to get out of this downward spiral of less sleep making sleep worse.

newmumfeb21 · 18/08/2021 20:54

@FATEdestiny THANK YOU. I have seen your brilliant advice on other threads but was struggling to apply it to our situation. I am hugely appreciative that you've taken the time and trouble to respond in so much details. Reading and digesting now.

I didn't mention because I didn't think relevant but I do have both postnatal depression and anxiety, formally diagnosed but not on meds or having therapy. For various reasons I've sort of just been muddling through without, I've found being a mum ridiculously tough but feel lucky that I have a good bond with DS and DH and family have been supportive, but I'm thinking it might be worthwhile seeking additional help now.

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FATEdestiny · 18/08/2021 22:18

You cannot pour from an empty cup.

Take care of yourself first. The you will have more energy to take care of baby.

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