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Sleep, please help. I'm desperate. Can't do this anymore.

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PintOfBovril · 13/08/2020 13:05

My 10 month LO was a terrible sleeper till 6 months when we used a sleep consultant to work on self settling. Worked well, got LO to a point of almost always self settling off to sleep for naps and night time in his cot independently. Then the 8/9 month separation anxiety/ regression kicked off and its all gone to hell. He won't let me leave the room. He screams till he's sick (which takes less than 3 minutes). Sometimes he will fall asleep being rocked. Last night he woke at 1.30am and just did not go back to sleep. My husband took him out in the car at 4.30am. I have tried Co sleeping, gentle retreat, spaced soothing, feed to sleep, rocking, patting you name it.
I feel despondent. Hopeless. A failure. I have been crying all day. I want to enjoy my baby but I just dread each nap and bedtime it ruins the day. Please help. Tell me it will get better. I have PND following a traumatic birth and a bereavement soon after and I can't see any hope, I am scared of how low I feel.

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whereverwhenevernone · 13/08/2020 13:09

It does get better.

I had two terrible sleepers but the first was awful - till about 7 months I got about three hours sleep a day, in tiny broken chunks. I don't really have any good memories of him as a baby. I barely functioned. And he screamed and screamed.

It does end. You will sleep again. He will sleep. That is not just a hope, but a complete certainty. This is a time to be got through.

onesteptwosteps · 13/08/2020 13:20

Sleep is an absolute fucker.

As PP says, it is a certainty that it will get better.

BUT I think your PND and trauma are also really kicking in here. You've done nothing wrong, you are not a failure, neither is your baby. It is just normal. Are you having sessions with a psychologist to help cope? Definitely seek help if not. You deserve it.

Call the sleep consultant again, get a solid plan to follow.

You've got this.

doadeer · 13/08/2020 13:28

Get the sleep consultant back. Understandably you will be trying all these things but you need to be consistent which is so difficult at 4am I know! Work on a plan and know it will get better

lemorella · 13/08/2020 13:34

Lack of sleep is utterly crap DaffodilDaffodil

Yes dc will come out of it.

Some practical advice: how are naps in the day - is dc still having 2x naps a day (about right at that age) ? Do you limit the time? I would allow no more than half an hour in the morning and 1.5 in the afternoon. No sleeping past 3:30 with an aim of 6pm/7pm bedtime.

Are you and DH ready/ feel comfortable to try some sleep training (deeply personal choice)? My success came from bath/ book/ bottle or boob routine. Then place in cot. Allow to cry for no longer than ten minutes. (Although I would of course intervene if dc was sick/ or sounded deeply distressed) Pick up and soothe dc, place back down and repeat as many times until asleep. Within 3 days my dc was settling in to sleep nicely with no tears. We use the same routine for night wakes. For me it was a gentler method as I didn't want to do 'cry it out'. Start training with the day time naps then move on to bedtime. We also had a great black out blind, and white noise machine. There are a few methods you can choose from, if you feel ready then set aside a weekend and tag team with your partner and both commit to doing it. When I felt like cracking my partner stepped in and it was much easier with 2. Babies really need to be taught how to sleep and parents need quality sleep.

For you: lots of water & coffee and cake (in fact anything to boost your energy). Make time for a bath and for some fresh air and have a massive cry if you need to, it's exhausting!

PintOfBovril · 13/08/2020 14:14

Thank you all, you're all so kind. I am just feeling so broken and have so little left in me. I feel I am really letting everyone down.

We have a good blackout blind and use white noise. We've offered a 'lovey' but it didn't seem to help. The trouble is he literally hysterically screams as soon as he goes in the cot. There's no protesting or whimpering it's just full on 100% hysteria. It pushes every anxiety button in my body.
Unfortunately the sleep consultant is very expensive to get back again and my husband didn't really like working with her in the first place so I'm not sure about getting her back... I know we both have to be committed for it to work.
Right now I just want to run away and hide.

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bunters · 13/08/2020 16:18

You poor, poor woman! ❤️ I don't have any advice but I just wanted to leave a message of solidarity because that sounds utterly shit and I think parents (especially mothers) are kind of just told to hold out and if will eventually get better, when you're at the end of your tether now ☹️ Can you afford to get the sleep consultant back in? They might have new ideas appropriate for your child's age, or perhaps they might just give you the support and confidence you need to get back on track

onesteptwosteps · 13/08/2020 23:05

Get a different sleep consultant if DH didn't like the other one but your mental and physical health is at stake here. It will be worth the money.

Minkies13 · 14/08/2020 00:09

You could try the Little Ones sleep routine. We never needed to use it but many friends have and really recommend it. You can download it online. It's meant to be a gentle sleep routine for different age ranges and it has a lot of solutions to different sleep problems as well as an online forum so you can troubleshoot with other people in the same position.

www.littleones.co/collections/programs

Hang in there, it does get better

PintOfBovril · 14/08/2020 09:34

Thank you so much everyone. Honestly I am so grateful, it means a lot that anyone took time to reply. One of the worst feelings is loneliness and I have to say that 3.30am with a hot screaming baby is the loneliest I've been.
I know it'll get better. It has to. I'm so sad that I feel like I've spent the first year of DS's life stressing about his sleep and my sleep and my DHs sleep, but perhaps that's just being a first time parent, and coping with PND and a sleepless baby! I spoke to my perinatal mental health team and they were helpful. I've got a review of my medication soon and hopefully the group support will start again soon too with social distancing. I have to reconnect with people I think.
Thank you again everyone. I do really appreciate it xxx

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PintOfBovril · 14/08/2020 09:39

@lemorella
Thank you for your suggestion. I'd like to try it. Did you leave the room inbetween comforting?

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TheVanguardSix · 14/08/2020 09:59

Oh you poor love, you have every single ounce of my sympathy. I had two terrible sleepers (my youngest woke up 8-9 times a night until a week before his third birthday!). It is maddening. It drove me straight into illness. It is just so hard, beyond description really.

The only thing that worked for me was DH giving me a night of full sleep once in a while. We just said to each other, "We're in the trenches here," and gave each other lots of room to be miserable and exhausted. I think just owning the awfulness of being permanently and woefully underslept gave us strength to carry on. We agreed, no pestering for sex, no asking anything of each other. Just hugs and respite once in a blue moon. I felt like I could somewhat manage life on little to no sleep once DH and I gave each other permission to just get through it, one day at a time, without any pressure or obligation to fulfill needs. My mental health really improved.
We were also really clear with people. If I cancelled on friends due to utter exhaustion, they just either understood or they didn't. I couldn't really care about letting people down. I was too bloody tired to care. Fortunately, I have really loving friends who were totally understanding.

You are letting nobody down. This isn't a challenge or a performance. You don't need to do anything else other than get through it. That's all you need to do. Flowers What I did not have to deal with is hysteria. That is utterly soul destroying. Here in London, my youngest was referred to the paediatric sleep clinic at the Evelina children's hospital. It's part of paediatric neurology. Anyway, by the time his appointment came up, he was sleeping through the night. So I never got to use the service but did have a couple of good phone consultations beforehand.

www.evelinalondon.nhs.uk/our-services/hospital/sleep-medicine-department/referrals.aspx

If I were you, I would push my GP hard for a referral to your sleep medicine clinic. You can't keep going. And your little one's development will be inhibited (he will totally catch up! It will be a temporary thing, but lack of sleep will certainly slow down development. DC3 was a different child once he slept. His development just leaped like mad once he started sleeping through).

The Evelina Hospital's sleep clinic also has an app called Kids Sleep Dr which is really worth installing. It won't solve the problem, but it will be like a diary. You'll understand your child's sleep pattern better and perhaps notice what is impacting your child's sleep. Most sleep clinics will want you to keep a diary anyway and this gives you a head start. You can attend the clinic armed with information on your child's sleeping habits/disruptions, etc which will help move things along a little bit faster.

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TheVanguardSix · 14/08/2020 10:03

Also, I meant to add, don't feel sad about the lack of sleep staining what should be cherished early years. Once your little one sleeps through the night, you'll instantly forget this feeling of sadness! Thanks to being exhausted, you probably won't remember a lot of it. Grin
The best is yet to come. Don't worry. Smile Flowers

lemorella · 14/08/2020 11:00

@PintOfBovril

Yes I did leave the room. Went downstairs with the baby monitor and set a timer. The only time I would break the timer is if I thought the cry sounded more distressed then normal (which it never really).

The first night was 50 mins of crying with a cuddle every ten - me and DH took it in turns to cuddle and put back in the cot to say good night. I'd start using the method with daytime naps. Night time wakes went from about 2-3 to zero within the month.

Whilst I didn't suffer with PND the sleep exhaustion really got to me and made me feel like a miserable headachey zombie all day. You may find that once you start getting chunks of sleep your other symptoms will improve too.

Don't give up DaffodilDaffodil

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