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Am I approaching this all wrong?

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KeyboardMash · 22/06/2020 04:12

DD's sleep has never been great: up a lot at night, goes through phases with naps but still doesn't reliably sleep for long enough in the day, difficult to get to sleep, and till recently fed to sleep every time apart from occasional sling/pushchair naps.

I decided to tackle bedtime first, and for about 2-3 weeks have gone for the 'method' of lying beside the cot shushing and patting (when she rolls within reach - she's VERY restless, and there's always lots of scrambling about/standing up/rolling away so I can't reach/clawing through the bars at me). It's been pretty horrible: she cries a lot, and it's taken 30-45 minutes to get her to sleep up until the past couple of nights when she's gone off after more like 20-30, with slightly less crying a few times. The only reason I've stuck with it is because it transformed the nights: down to one or two wakings from four-six. She's also easier to get back to sleep (previously she was waking up post-feed whenever I put her back in cot and it was taking HOURS. Now I have a reasonable chance of resettling her the cot if she stirs).

I went for first nap next, because that's usually been the more reliable one, and have tried the same method with the same result. She still mostly naps for an hour to hour and a half, but it's fairly unreliable and can be shitty short 40 minutes.

It's just so stressful and horrible listening to her scream for so much of the time it takes to fall asleep. She doesn't always scream for all of it - again, it varies a lot, but it goes against all my instincts to leave her crying (although I'm not leaving her alone). I just can't keep going with the bad nights and being the only person who can feed her off to sleep.

I feel like trying to get her off without a feed for both naps is just going to mean half my day is spent lying there while she cries. I don't know if it's pointless getting her to sleep without milk, but then feeding her at night still. But after the ten months of shite sleep I'm still exhausted even on two wake-ups, and I haven't the strength for 45 minutes of screaming at 1 and 4 am without any guarantee of improvement. Plus I have a three year old and can't have her disturbed.

It just feels like things aren't really getting better after the initial reduction in the number of wakings. I don't know where to go from here. I don't want to undo what I've done so far, but it feels really inconsistent and I'm not sure if I'm just confusing her. And I'm still so tired all the time... I just don't know where to go from here?!

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KeyboardMash · 22/06/2020 04:16

And she's almost a year old! Crucial information....

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ELW85 · 22/06/2020 08:03

I’m sorry you’re going through this.
I have a 12w old with a feed to sleep association that I’m trying to break so I’m not an expert but I have been doing a lot of reading and I think the key is being consistent, so whilst you could tackle nights first as they’re easier (pressure you sleep from circadian rhythm drives them to sleep easier) if you’re still feeding her to sleep through the day, it sends mixed messages.
Do you have any alternative methods for day naps until night is sorted and you can move on to day?
I have a couple of friends who fed to sleep until a year old and they both had success in changing the feed association to a comforter?
I think at the moment you’re doing a combined version of CIO and CC but being in the room which at her age might stimulate her more?
I’d pick a method and stick to it for a week or so and then re-evaluate and take it from there.
What’s her current bedtime routine; how do you wind down and signal it’s time for sleep?

MellowMelly · 22/06/2020 08:49

So is she napping twice during the day? If so have you thought about reducing that to one nap? We had to do that with my grand daughter at about this age and it made life so much easier and she was much easier to settle for both the nap and at bedtime.

BumbleNova · 22/06/2020 09:00

OP - I feel your pain! I'm mother to a shit sleeper. have you considered night weaning completely? Your DD is definitely old enough to not need night feeds but I absolutely hear you about it being a great way to get them back to sleep quickly.

I also agree that you need to be consistent and feeding to sleep during the day is sending mixed messages.

the worst thing about sleep trainin/ teaching is that it is bloody hard when you are already at the point when you are just shattered and at the bottom of your reserves.

Have you tried leaving her to try and settle herself and coming back at short intervals? I found that my DS settles much quicker and it is also emotionally much less traumatic for me if I keep the door open and pop in and out at regular intervals. he would get so stressed and upset when i was in the room and wouldnt feed/cuddle him to sleep. I'm not suggesting you leave her to cry completely - I absolutely couldnt do that either. i leave him 2 mins and then come back in and reassure him but dont pick him up/cuddle him every 2 mins. we also saw an improvement very quickly, in 3 nights he was down to 10 mins to go to sleep on his own.

if that isnt for you, could you try gradual retreat?

hang in there - I absolutely know how hard it is. I know its not for everybody but my DS is so much happier on more sleep. I do really think teaching them to sleep independently is a kindness.

we used a sleep consultant. its expensive but for me, it gave me the certainty I needed that it would work and i wasnt just being mean .

BumbleNova · 22/06/2020 09:01

Also re naps - my DS wasnt ready to drop a nap until 15/16 months, all children are different. he was much harder to settle when overtired.

KeyboardMash · 22/06/2020 09:21

There's no way she'd manage on only one nap. She's tired by 8.30/9am (guess where I am now, on my side with one hand patting her in cot and the other typing underneath it!) If the morning is crap then the afternoon nap ends up earlier and she's knackered by 6.30pm even if she sleeps well. We're some way away from one nap!

It sounds like I need to think about cutting all the feeding. I just don't know how to manage the night wakings without it disturbing DD1. We also live in a terrace. I can't have her screaming for extended periods in the middle of the night!

I may need to try the whole popping in and out thing. That never worked for DD1 - wound her up something chronic to have me no bobbing in and out - she used to ratchet up the screaming whenever I either left or returned and only calmed down when I stayed put! But I haven't tried it on DD2. I feel like the patting works and I'm reluctant to shift things because - as everyone has said - I need to be consistent. Maybe I'll try another week patting/shushing but for ALL sleeps, then switch to in-and-out if there's still no change.

It's fucking horrible but she was killing me with the night wakings and it got to the point where it was absolutely impossible to get her back into the cot without waking her, so she was being disturbed continually and crying a lot on and off anyway.

Also, before anyone suggests it, we have tried cosleeping and I don't sleep!

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KeyboardMash · 22/06/2020 09:22

And thank you all for your suggestions!

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