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Observations/suggestions on whether I'm way off the mark with 6wk old

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ChubbyScotsBurd · 31/08/2007 12:14

My baby is coming up 6wks old and as he's a PFB I'm desperately trying to do all the right things and consequently I suspect I'm doing everything wrong!

Many many people have told me that newborns don't form habits and sleep associations are not something to concern myself with until 3 months of age at the earliest. Many many people (older female relatives, heh) have also told me that I am making a rod for my back etc etc if I rock/carry/feed LO to sleep at this age.

Here's the deal - he slept great for the first 2 weeks then had some sort of episode whereby he lost an entire night's sleep with terrible tummy pains and whether related or not he's not really been right since. It's taken me a long time to work this out, but what we thought was colic is actually overtiredness, because it's much better when he's slept through the day!

However, sleep is becoming gradually more elusive - in the daytime he will sleep either in the pram or bouncy chair but wakes immediately when it stops moving, or on me or my OH. Sometimes he can then be transferred to the moses basket or cot, but generally this wakes him. At night the only way to settle him is to breastfeed him to sleep in our bed and then try our luck moving him to the cot. More and more I'm having to give up and take him to the spare room (OH works and as we're not using bottles there's no sense him being woken too) where I can feed him to sleep on the futon and then just lie there trying to sleep myself but not move or disturb him! We've considered cosleeping in the big bed with all 3 of us but I just don't sleep well with him in bed (too paranoid) and it does disturb my OH. It's a last resort but we'd rather avoid it.

So, bearing in mind that I know newborns don't generally develop sleep associations/habits etc, I can't help but feel that he's becoming extremely reliant on suckling to sleep. If he's really cranky and tired, he'll literally chomp desperately for the nipple and cry with frustration until he latches on, then within seconds his eyes close and he's off to sleep. It's almost instantaneous, and if you remove the nipple even after a long period of sleep he often wakens again and cries for it. He doesn't even really feed - mostly he just holds the suction. I feel that he is desperate to sleep and hence desperate for the nipple because without it he's unable to sleep.

During the day (when I have more patience and am less exhausted) I have been putting him down to sleep once he starts yawning - he usually cries out within a minute so I go back, pick him up, settle him with a cuddle and humming then when he yawns again and looks settled I put him back in the cot, repeat ad nauseum until he eventually falls asleep, often after about 5-10 returns. I never leave him to cry (although I do wait long enough to make sure it's a cry and not a sleepy whimper). I've read the research about cortisol levels in crying babies and it scares me!

He also often wakes himself up by twitching or making bizarre angry bird noises (best description I can come up with I'm afraid!). I've tried swaddling but he really, really hates it. I warm the sheets with a hot water bottle before he goes in, and make sure the room is dark and quiet.

Anyone got anything to contribute, even things like "my baby was the same and I lived through it" are very welcome!

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kayjayel · 31/08/2007 12:25

Just wanted to say you're doing great! Sleep's a nightmare. I'm surprised my son's first word wasn't sleep/knackered/how many times did he wake in the night?
No real advice, cos all babies are different, so I just wanted to say it sounds like you're doing fab things and being a fab mum, and of course you're knackered. I focused on compensation stuff instead of thinking about the sleep (it seemed to sort itself out a bit, or I just learnt to adapt). Compensations were dedicated half hours to myself awake as well as catch up sleeps. If I just slept when I got 'time off' I felt like my entire waking life was about the baby. Plus trying not to worry about 'rod for own back' crap. My take is now that teaching DS anything is a hell of a lot easier now he's older. Teaching him to sleep better when he didn't have language just made me feel stressed and him scream. Now we have conversations and jokes. But then I haven't had much sleeping through and he's 2 so what do I know! . Good luck, you sound like you're being a lovely mum!

Tigana · 31/08/2007 12:27

you need this thread!!

EffiePerine · 31/08/2007 12:27

It all sounds normal to me . 6 weeks is time for a mega growth spurt so you may find your baby is feeding (and waking) more. Not sure I can offer advice as my 10mo is still a rotten sleeper but if you'd like to discourage the feeding to sleep bit you can try the pull-off technique recommended in Pantley's No Cry Sleep Solution. Goes like this:

feed till sleepy and baby is fluttering/sucking much more slowly
unlatch
finger under baby's chin
bay gets agitated and starts rooting
latch on again
wait 10-20 secs
repeat until baby falls asleep after being unlatched

it can take a while and sometimes does not work, but worth a try

And good luck - sounds like you're doing really well

kayjayel · 31/08/2007 12:27

ps - daytime stuff sounds brilliant - mine couldn't manage going to sleep awake for at least a year. Would go ballistic if put down when tired. So that's a good sign! Everything's easier in the day than the night - wonder if its true for babies too?

prettybird · 31/08/2007 12:32

Can't address all your concerns as ds was a good sleepr from an early age, but he was a "comfort eater".

I persoanlly had no qualms about letting ds have a dummy - I don't know what your views are, but it certianly sounds like he is not actually needing to feed. I only used it when I knew he wasn't hungery, eg just after he had fed.

I am also anti-dummies for long term use, so I stopped letting him have it at 6 months, which wasn't difficult. (I'd read somewhere that there was a window of opportunity at 6 months - otherwise it was more likely to be 3 years!)

ChubbyScotsBurd · 31/08/2007 12:36

Thankyou all for help and contributions - and for reading what turned out to be a bit of a bloody ramble!

You know, when this is all over I reckon I could write a Gina Ford/baby whisperer/Karp sort of guide book and make a million - it would go something like this:
ChubbyScotsBurd Solves Your New Baby's Every Problem and inside it would simply say "Soldier on - this too shall pass." I'm sure it would be hailed as a miracle - a book of advice on babies which actually works!

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ChubbyScotsBurd · 31/08/2007 12:39

Oh prettybird, thank you but I should have said - we tried a dummy in absolute desperation (I think it was around 4am and I remember shouting down the stairs to my OH "it must have been in that f*ing Milton for 15 minutes now, hurry up!") - it was totally rejected, he can't bear it. He does like finger sucking but we haven't persisted with this because, to be honest, it's no better than boob-sucking!

My fault for not mentioning it, but thank you.

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Catz · 31/08/2007 12:43

Hi CSB - Yep, you're right, looks like we're going through the same thing! I know some people don't like them but have you tried a dummy? It's worked for us when DD is tired and thinks she wants to feed but we know she's not hungry. If she's going to suck herself to sleep I'd rather it was on something plastic and not a tender part of my body! We felt guilty at first but they are actually recommended by FSID as reducing chances of SIDs so we now feel less bad about it...

Clearly though I am hardly the expert at this!

Catz · 31/08/2007 12:44

Woops - looks like you had that conversation when I was writing the post. Nevermind (but you might want to try again - took us a couple of goes - had to hold it in till she sucked and then she was happy)

prettybird · 31/08/2007 12:46

yes it might be worth trying again when he is not so desparate.

Jojay · 31/08/2007 12:52

In response to your 'helpful' relatives claims, I read somewhere that very young babies can't even remember what happened to them an hour ago, let alone learn complex sleep associations.

Also, at this age, everything they do is generated by instinct, they're not capable of the whole 'if I cry a bit louder Mummy will pick me up' type scenario that sometimes we imagine. they might be doing.

I agree that 3 months is a bit of a crunch point, and when you get to that stage, there are a number of techniques you can try to get your lo settling himself to sleep, such as the shush pat, or something similar.

At this age though, unless you really can't cope with it, it would go with it - the next 6 wks will fly by (honestly.....) and if it doesn't sort it out, that is the time to deal with it.

Good Luck and enjoy your ds

callmeovercautious · 31/08/2007 13:01

Very common - but you right it is a phase and it will pass. I suggest getting DH onto the futon to sleep and you and lo have the comfy bed! Put the moses basket right next to it or even on the other side and when lo is asleep gently lift with one hand under bottom and one under neck supporting shoulders and head. With time they learn to sleep through the move. You will have to change this as he gets bigger but it worked for us at this age.

Bodkin · 31/08/2007 17:12

Hi CSB - mine is also a tricky one to get off to sleep, well, actually I can get her off to sleep with a bit of patting and shushing but she usually wakes up after 5 mins. Then I do the "cup of tea" test. I make myself a cup of tea ( and if she has not dropped back off to sleep by the time I've made it, I'll go back up and soothe her. Whether she goes to sleep or not, i've got a luvly cuppa to drink and feel a bit less stressed

ArtistFormerlyKnownAsSOH · 31/08/2007 17:30

I can offer you a 'my baby was the same and I lived through it' comment.

I just rode it out, but I do co-sleep so this was easier to bear. DH stays on his side, dd is next to me. By just going with it, following dd's lead and feeding her to sleep when necessary we eventually realised at about 11 weeks that she had started to settle herself. She will now sleep anywhere if she's tired, settles herself back to sleep without a feed and has happily separated night from day.

The growth spurt will not be helping!

Good luck, you'll be just fine.

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