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6 year old bedtime, its breaking me

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smiales01 · 24/07/2019 21:46

I am at breaking point, my 6 year old has always been a bad sleeper but it's just getting worse and worse.

It now take between 1 1/2 to 2 hours every night. I'm lay here in tears, I can't bear it. I'm so tired. He clings on to me, he climbs up me. Sometimes he goes to bed his bed then will be in with us by midnight and the wriggling and kicking and grabbing all night means me and my boyfriend don't sleep. One of us ends up moving to the spare room. I feel utterly suffocated.

I having had s conversation with my partner in the evening for months. One of us is upstairs from 7.30 till 9.30/10 every night. Normally me as he works shifts. I don't see my living room, I get no wind down or chance to get stuff done.

I can't take much more. I adore my son, I've tried so hard to be there for him, to be the best mum I can and its got me nowhere.

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lovemylot1 · 24/07/2019 21:52

Has anything changed recently for him? I assume end of year 1? My dd aged 6 has had insomnia and anxiety these last couple of weeks. Turns out she adores her teacher she’s leaving behind, is scared about year two,,,

Anyway day 1 of holidays was today. Still nightmare by lunchtime but by bedtime the usual dd was back

The heat is also very hard

FrontRowSeat · 24/07/2019 22:01

Watching with interest. Same aged child - never been able to settle on own. I never have an evening either. Watching a tv programme downstairs is out of the question. End up just going to sleep myself as it’s not worth going downstairs by the time DC is asleep.

ChihuahuaMummy1 · 24/07/2019 22:01

Start getting strict with him.I have a ds 5 and he wouldn't get away with that although he'd love to.Take him to bed,give him kiss and cuddle then say goodnight and leave.It might take a few goes but be persistent so he knows you mean it.You need your space at night and your evenings back.You have my total sympathy but you need to be tough.

CherryPavlova · 24/07/2019 22:07

At six he can understand full well what is acceptable behaviour.
Get a bit firmer. Clear routine that isn’t several hours - bath, cuddle, teeth story, sleep perhaps. Then no saying, no nonsense. It’s sleep time repeated calmly until it sinks in. Sticker reward chart for a night where he adheres to the routine. Collect 5 stickers get to pick a treat. Repeat until established routine.
If he comes intolerant bed walk him back to his bed and tell him it’s sleep time. Every time. Reward staying in his own bed each night.

Is he getting enough hard exercise?

SaxxedtotheMax · 24/07/2019 22:09

I watched a programme on this once. If they go to bed too late, they miss the window of opportunity & get a second wind.

You have to bring bedtime earlier by about an hour.

I take DD6 up at 18.30pm.sometimes, by the time she has done teeth and got into bed its about 18.45pm, she puts a Peter Rabbit Story C.D on & is asleep by 19.00pm & up at 07.30 a.m.

Any later and I have absolutely had it until about 21.00/21.30 with her pissing around & trying to get in my bed/asking for a drink/cuddle/another C.D

Give it a go for at least 3 nights OP.

18.30pm have those feet on the stairs! In bed, thats it. Kiss, cuddle then go downstairs.

I swear by it & she has had me in tears many times when I let her stay up.

LucyLeak · 24/07/2019 22:11

What have you tried so far OP? Reward charts? What about seeing if he'll settle listening to a talking book, you can get them free from the library, you download them onto your tablet/iPad.

InDubiousBattle · 24/07/2019 22:14

Have you tried putting him to bed a bit later?

MrsMallett · 24/07/2019 22:18

We have found relaxation/children’s meditation cds helpful (6 year old who struggles to sleep despite good routines, and gets anxious about not being able to get to sleep) x

HolidaySleep · 24/07/2019 22:19

Following! My 5 year old is the same. 10pm he was finally asleep tonight. Been between 8:45 - 10pm lately for us lately meaning no evening time without kids.

So very very draining.

ILikTheBred · 24/07/2019 22:25

I feel you OP. I have this with my son who has ASD. Is anything bothering your son ? In our case a lot of the sleeplessness is due to anxiety - me being there as he goes to sleep gives him comfort. Not much fun for me but I’m resigned to it now and usually bring headphones and a tablet to watch Netflix as I sit by his bed.

We found a weighted blanket and the book ‘what to do when you dread your bed’ very helpful in getting him to settle.

Breastfeedingworries · 24/07/2019 22:26

I second the advice to get tougher, not that useful but until my dd was in her own room I had hell with her waking up.
In fairness she was breast fed so used to wake up for feedings and as I gradually dropped the day feeds it took longer to drop the nights.
In her own room I just got tough, have a camera monitor so I can see her and check she’s okay.

Seeing her makes it easier for me to see she’s safe and in no danger, I just kept popping back and laying her back down ect until she gives in. Now I only have to plonk her down and go, she gets herself to sleep.

I don’t worry or feel bad about it, it’s sleep! You’re not trying to get him to do this awful thing, remove the guilt. You sound so guilty in your post. Try and remember this isn’t forever, take control and remain calm. You can change it. You can take him out one day run him silly at soft play, get back have dinner lovely bath, read a story and maybe get him some Roll Dahl story cds.

I used to love tapes as a child, tell him it’s his story and sleep time as a special treat. Then he can listen while he falls asleep. It isn’t so lonely then. The rule is at a time of your choosing he goes to bed, your the parent you need to take charge as he needs you to. Flowers you can do it!!! Xx

Fatted · 24/07/2019 22:27

You've done what you can OP. Now it's time to put your own needs first. As others have said he's old enough to understand rules and boundaries.

Is there any SN at all? What does he say the issue is? Is there anything you could do to help without you being there? What else is going on in his life right now? Is it unsettling him your DP working shifts? My DC hated it when I was working evenings.

I think you need to be cruel to be kind. Lots of attention, cuddles and fun time together in the day. But bedtime is bedtime. And then leave him to it. Every time he comes out his room, downstairs etc don't engage and take him back to bed.

It is hard. My 6YO does fight bedtime. But generally he will stay in his room and read etc rather than coming downstairs and annoying us.

converseandjeans · 24/07/2019 22:51

Might he be jealous of partner? Or is it his Dad?

LoafOfSellotape · 24/07/2019 22:59

Bath at 7, pajamas and story drink and supper of he needs something ,teeth and bed,lights out at 7.45.

Tell him he can read in bed/listen to a story CD but he is not to come downstairs and if he does you will take him straight back upstairs. Be prepared to do this a LOT the first couple of nights but if you are consistent it will work. No chatting or explaining,just "Back to bed."

Don't get cross or lose your temper keep REALLY calm. He will probably play up to see what he can get away with but if you give in you'll be back to square one.

Good luck 👍

smiales01 · 24/07/2019 23:23

He's been a struggle with his sleep since birth tbh. Never napped unless I walked him in pushchair, wore him or breastfed. He was waking several times a night until he was 3. He has never fallen asleep alone. He fed to sleep until I stopped feeding at around 3 1/2. Don't judge, I was happy to feed, I wanted him to self wean and it just went on a bit longer than I anticipated but it was right for us.

He is very energetic, we do stuff with him a lot, loads of outdoor stuff like river, walks, castle, walking to and from town, playgrounds, meeting friends. He just resists sleep like you wouldn't believe. Even as a 1 year old he would wake himself up if he was starting to doze. He basically hates closing his eyes!

My boyfriend has always worked shifts so he's used to daddy not always being home. Until about a year ago he refused to even go to bed with daddy, only me so it's been an intense few years.

I feel we have fostered really positive parenting, loads of cuddles, attention, love, conversation etc which we hoped would give him security. He's confident and independent in the day I feel, he's above average for his age at school. Yet come bedtime he is incredibly needy. He can't bear to be alone at night, sobs if I try and leave, kisses and cuddles me,telling me he loves me more than anything while clinging on. It frustrates me so much because he clearly has anxieties but I'm losing my temper after nearly two hours, he knows it and he clings more, I get to the point where I can't stand him all over me. I just want some adult time. He doesn't accept that, he asks if I've eaten, if I've fed the cats etc and says that means I can stay with him all night. I tell him its grown up time, Mummys don't go to bed as early as children. I've explained how sleep works, how important it is for us etc as he likes to understand things like that.

If I leave him he just gets straight up and follows me, even if he's been asleep for a few mins he senses me going and jumps up.

His routine isn't bad, quiet time playing or watching Sarah and duck at about 6.30, 7.30 upstairs, sometimes shower / bath teeth, loo, into bed, couple of stories then its goes downhill. He gets excitable, opposite of what he should do, then he starts a chat, sometimes with important stuff so I can't stop it (a boy at school bit him for example) as it's clearly on his mind, then we cuddle and he likes an audiobook. I thought this was helpful but actually I think it stops him sleeping which is infuriating. Then the battle about me turning it off and he doesn't want to, then he gets her up because he can't fall asleep.

This is prob the worst it's been since the baby days, been like this for about 4 months now so not a short phase.

I really feel at a loss. Its affecting us as a family so much. I want to enjoy bedtime but I dread it.

We do have stress in our lives, my mum is terminally ill. She's been very I'll for a couple of years. Obviously this affects me, as much as I try to act normal for my son he must pick up on how sad I am (not every second of every day) my fuse is shorter for sure but I still give him so much attention and love. I do feel this is a reaction to my issues which makes me feel awful. Things aren't exactly as I hoped life would be but I hoped so long as he knows he's loved and has plenty of cuddles it would be enough to keep him content.

We just can't go on like this. I thought about speaking to a sleep specialist for help. I just don't know how to deal with it anymore. It makes me feel I've failed as a mum. Literally every other mum I am friends with read a story and tuck the children in and are back downstairs by 7.30pm. I feel massively isolated with this.

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Bookworm4 · 24/07/2019 23:29

You’re doing too much, routine into bed, when you leave and he follows out him straight back into bed, sit outside his room and just keep putting him back, he’s not to come out room. He’s big enough to understand, he can keep his story and nightlight/lamp on but stay in bed, definitely reward chart too.
You need time to unwind yourself.

DidILeaveTheGasOn · 24/07/2019 23:37

You are a person yourself.
Bedtime routine, into bed, return him to bed if he gets up.
Be firm but warm.
It may take a few evenings but then it will stick and you will marvel at how long you have lived like this. The sheer joy of watching something on TV. Going for a long walk. The cinema!
Speaking from experience here. You have to remember that you are a person, too. You are allowed to exist and have time for yourself. You need it to thrive, not just pass exhaustedly from one day to the next.
Commit to it, try it. Three days.

Breastfeedingworries · 24/07/2019 23:50

Always remember the rules on a plane, put your safety mask on before your child’s. For some reason that’s stuck with me, I sometimes wonder if it’s selfish and wrong but I’ve always taken care of my needs. I struggled in the newborn phrase! But as I got the hang of everything it fitted into place. I’m single so I just have to have time away from my dd, as I’m mostly parenting alone.

She didn’t want me to leave her on her own, she just had to get used to it. I understand it’s harder at an older age so I can’t be much help but heed everyone’s advice. He will thank you in the long run when he’s learnt to get a good night sleep himself. Flowers

My target used to be free at 9pm to watch handmaidens tale on Sundays, now she sleeps 7/8 but depends on temperate as it’s so hot.

You will get there!!!

LoafOfSellotape · 25/07/2019 00:07

He sounds over tired,I wouldn't be at all surprised of he turns into a great sleeper once you get bedtime cracked,my son did.

I think you're missing that window as a pp mentioned. Upstairs by 7,lights out at 7.45.

FeegleFion · 25/07/2019 00:20

OP I swear by Audible’s The Rabbit who wants to fall asleep’. DS 6 and I read a chapter from a ‘real’ book each night before we put the Kindle on and he’s guaranteed to be asleep before it’s ended. In fact I’ve been known to fall asleep before it’s ended too. Flowers

madcatladyforever · 25/07/2019 00:43

My friends child aged 6 behaves like that 24/7 and when you go over there will scream, kick, hang off his mother, not go to bed and actually hurt his parents pinching and slapping.
i babysit for them quite regularly and will not tolerate any behaviour like that, when I am there he goes to bed and sleeps, there is no playing up or rudeness. I am not aggressive, I don't tell him off or raise my voice but when I look at him he knows I won't be tolerating any nonsense that day.
You need to become his mother not his friend when it comes to bad behaviour or he will not respect you and that is a disaster.

madcatladyforever · 25/07/2019 06:54

Mind you just read the bit about your mum, so sorry. He could also be picking up on that. Children always do and being scared can encourage this kind of behaviour but I thinka strong routine and no nonsense should make him feel more secure.

ILikTheBred · 25/07/2019 07:25

OP we used a sleep therapist - it was actually for the baby but while she was there she gave us a strategy to get his older brother to go to sleep by himself.

In a nutshell it was as follows - up to bed and a story. Then tell him “I am going out of your room for 40 seconds, if you’re still in bed when I come bs k you’ll get a sticker”. Then go out, wait and go back in. If he is in bed, he gets a sticker. If he has gotten up put him back to bed and start again. Keep repeating until he sleeps. As time goes on lengthen the time you’re outside the room. The idea is to keep him in bed but give him the security of knowing you’ll be coming back.

I was a complete skeptic thinking “nah, he’ll never go for that” but I was wrong- it worked like a charm. Within a week he was going to sleep within a few minutes. I used the glow in the dark stickers so his bed was lit up like a Christmas tree ! He was slightly younger than your son at the time (4) but may be worth a shot ?

smiales01 · 25/07/2019 20:09

Thank you for all your lovely supportive messages. It's a very lonely experience when it appears everyone elses kids are sleeping and parents have more time to themselves.

I agree, we need to be firm, we need to show him he can do it. He's a lovely boy most of the time, better sleep would only benefit us all.

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LoafOfSellotape · 25/07/2019 23:24

I remember an expert saying "We train kids to eat food, we train them to use the toilet, we train kids to be polite and use manners, why wouldn't we train them to sleep?"

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