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SLEEP IS FOR THE WEAK PART 5....... God have mercy!

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Tamdin · 30/07/2007 09:46

Can't believe we're onto another new thread already!

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Amberjee · 14/08/2007 11:37

choolie, it's the same here. i just feed him to sleep before naps - and that's the only daytime feeds he has. if we're out and about, forget it. everything is too interesting. although i've seen a glimmer of improvement in the last week, so there is hope (he's 7.5 months now)
he is sitting in high chair now refusing my wonderful delights ... ah well. it's just a phase

Amberjee · 14/08/2007 11:49

tibs, when did she get her first tooth. ds here is holding out on me. but i do like his gummy smile.

tibsy · 14/08/2007 11:55

amber, she was 10 mths and got 2 together

ImBarryScott · 14/08/2007 11:56

ginger - thanks for the pointers.

Tam - hurrah! great news re the offer.

EP sounds really hard.

Amber - ah...the delights of weaning! not entirely sure I'm looking forward to it.

Hi Choolie - sounds tough. My dd is also 5 months, and before she was born I foolish assumed she'd be sleeping through by now. What a mug!

Meg - dd is trying to drop her late nap I think. It's not been plain sailing though. She's refused a few times, and is really grumpy about it, right through until bathtime, which always cheers her up. She does seem to sleep better when she doesn't have it though. The way I'm trying to sort this one out is with the buggy - I take her out at nap time, so she can sleep if she wants, but doesn't get too frustrated if she doesn't.

I have just put dd down for her lunchtime nap fully swaddled as she has been a total nightmare since waking from her morning nap. She was really whiney and clingy (no obv. signs of ill health) - think she has got too used to there being a house full of people to entertain her. Anyway, I stuck her down swaddled as I NEED at least an hour for my mental health .

claireybee · 14/08/2007 11:57

Choolie, it must be tough to go from a good sleeper to a crap one, at least my dd has always been crap and has steadily got better (with a slight setback at 11 months when she started walking).

Isn't it funny how some people seem to think that their babies sleeping habits etc are all down to their good parenting and seem to take pride in telling you what you should do (thus making you feel like you must be a bad parent). I find myself hoping that such people get a demon baby next time round just so that they learn that all babies are different and that sometimes there is just nothing you can do!

ibs, I think thats partly why I've never thought cc is for me, even as a last resort, my sis was left to cry (although in a not very controlled way if my mum is telling it how it really was)and was still waking most nights age 6-it really must just depend on the child.

Tam, sorry to hear you had a bad night but at least you managed to keep the milk down.

Night weaning went surprisingly well for us last night and managed to just get away with a bit of water and a 20 min cuddle at 2.30ish. she did keep crying out afterwards but i think it was more cos she is used to having a full tummy to resettle herself than actual hunger, especially as she wasn't desperate for her milk when she woke at 6.50 this morning (and then went back to bed for an hour!!!). Feeling quite jammy today (although still knackered cos didnt sleep well with her crying out) cos I was expecting it to be far far worse and for me to be up all night with her. Looks like she could actually be ready this time, just hope it wasn't a fluke!

Amber, dd didnt eat any solids until 9 months and then very little until after she was one (still has days of not eating), she also went through a milk phase at 8 months and did put on weight then so it could be a common time for a growth spurt. I just went with it and let her have as much as she wanted and within a few weeks she was back to normal on her intake. It is soooo frustrating though when they don't eat in the day but then want lots of feeds at night.

EP, I always found it much easier to leave dd for a few minutes (like probably 2 but it always feels longer in the middle of the night)to see if she would resettle and if not just go in and feed her straight off. If i went in and didnt feed her she wouldn't settle anyway so it was much quicker to just do it. Hope your LO agrees to sleep in cot soon, dd used to be like that but is now the opposite and only really sleeps in her own cot if we leave the room. I do miss the cuddles but its nice to have my own space in bed again!

Phew, long post. hope havent missed anyone!

Amberjee · 14/08/2007 12:26

i lurrrve kellymom.

"Physical growth is not the only reason that babies may have a temporary need for increased nursing. Babies often exhibit the same type of behavior (increased nursing with or without increased fussiness) when they are working on developmental advances such as rolling over, crawling, walking or talking. Mom's milk is for growing the brain as well as the body!"

maybe LO needs more milk for crawling!

Amberjee · 14/08/2007 12:31

thanks CB. ds is just so unpredictable with eating solids. some days he absolutely wolfs down anything you give him. other days just sits and stares at the food on his tray. i try and go with the theory of offer it anyway, but sometimes i think to hell with this cooking and cleaning up highchair business if he's not even going to eat it.
but i feel bad if i don't at least offer him a meal because sometimes he really is interested. hmmm, a minefield as usual. is there anything actually easy about these babies?
at least now, he's in a good mood most of the time. i'm grateful for that. he's a pretty fun baby.
i find myself wishing demon babies on those smug parents as well. though i don't want to be so mean, i just wish they could understand that sleeping is up to the baby and so out of the parents' control.

EffiePerine · 14/08/2007 12:32

Aha, thanks for reminding me Claireybee and Amber! DS is getting ready to walk, so that would explain the increased fussiness and constant feeding. I have an Excuse

Amberjee · 14/08/2007 12:34

the ol' favourite developmental milestone excuse. wooo hooo.

EffiePerine · 14/08/2007 12:42

This is useful as well

www.attachmentparenting.org/artanger.shtml

EffiePerine · 14/08/2007 12:42

the temptation to throw my toys out of the pram last night was strong

Amberjee · 14/08/2007 13:06

ah EP, sorry it's tough at the moment.
i do love the expression 'throw toys out of the pram' though. don't think we had it in australia.

tibsy · 14/08/2007 13:20

amber, thats brill

EP - will bookmark that one as well. i too have an urge to throw toys out of pram occasionally hope you feel brighter soon.

claireybee · 14/08/2007 13:50

It's always good to have An Excuse!

choolie · 14/08/2007 14:46

BTW, did you LOs wake even more when they started crawling? - DS woke one night and we heard him chattering away next to us, so quietly looked at him and he was practising touching his toes, which he'd just learnt to do that day...from 1.30am-3am. So I dread the day he crawls now!

Amberjee · 14/08/2007 15:07

the best way i've found to deal with those extended practice sessions at night is earplugs. i used to hate to sleep if LO was awake, but no more. he can practice crawling all he likes, but i'm getting some zzzz!

Amberjee · 14/08/2007 18:26

arrrgh, refusing dinner again ...

choolie · 14/08/2007 19:40

ooh, DS just took the 2nd boob at bedtime for the first time in ages!!! fingers crossed for a better night. i might even get to stay in the bath longer than 10 mins tonight before he wakes for his sleepy feed!
good luck all.

tibsy · 14/08/2007 20:30

evening girlies and choolie yey for the 2nd bedtime boob. i try to stuff as much as poss into dd before bed in the vain attempt to get her to sleep longer

......well, we've just had a mammoth getting to sleep session. took nearly an hour. she'd drop off to sleep and then shudder awake and cry. dont know what that was all about hope this doesnt indicate that we've got 'shite night' ahead of us

amber - earplugs are a fab idea. dd's snoring keeps me awake sometimes for a little un, she sure does rock da house

i hope you all have good nights with muchos sleep x

Amberjee · 14/08/2007 20:40

earplugs are great. i can hear serious crying ;through them, but not the odd whinge or happy nighttime party.

callmeovercautious · 14/08/2007 20:45

Amber - I know how you feel. DD is refusing to nap in the afternoon but is then so tired and grunpy by tea time she throws it at me and crys. Only things she will eat without all out war are yoghurt and banana!
DP comes home and says - "you always have a dirty face after tea baby CMOC, why is that?" CMOC says " because we have been food fighting again!"

DD has started crawling and keeps waking up screaming because she has crawled in the cot and got stuck, not sure if she wakes up and moves first or if she is "sleep crawling"

tibsy · 14/08/2007 20:46

amber, hope lo ate some dinner afterwards. night my lovely, am off to watch some of the goggle box, think waking the dead is on soon. i wish you a restful night x

choolie · 14/08/2007 20:46

thanks for the tip amber, they are now on shopping list. i must admit, i hear him start snuffling and tense up myself (ha ha i think the books describe this as mother & baby's sleep cycles beautifully synchronizing so you hear their slightest peep and wake in anticipation of their need to feed!) and wonder sometimes if my moving makes him wake further. earplugs it is then.

ImBarryScott · 15/08/2007 08:21

Morning!

Amber - any joy with DS's dinner?
Tibs - I do hope "shite night" (lol) didn;t materialise
choolie - hope you got a nice relaxing bath
CMOC - "sleep crawling" ! sounds like a barrel of laughs (or not).

Ok night. Had an afternoon nap for the 1st time in a week. Asleep at 7 and still there when I went to bed at 10. Bottles indicate DH fed her between then and when I got up to her at 4, but I don't know how many times she woke. Catnapped a few times from 4-7am in bedside cot. Feel a bit knackered as I didn't get much sleep myself from 4.

Wouldn't mind some advice actually. DD is really frustrated at the moment, and has gone from generally happy to generally grumpy. I think she wants to be on the move - she keeps flipping herself over and assuming a crawling stance but obviously can't actually go anywhere. She gets angry being out on the playmat, and frustrated when in my arms, where she fights me. I know it's a phase, but any tips on managing it would be very welcome!

Tamdin · 15/08/2007 08:40

morning. Ibs ds was exactly the same at that age. i remember saying to anyone who'd listen "he'll be so much happier when he can move" and he was!
no advice i'm afraid. we used to sit ds on his playmat and surround him with lots of toys but he needed alot of attention to stop him getting frustrated and bored and still does!

good night here. ds went to bed at 7.30
in with us at 9 (woke and i thought it would be easier and it was)
woke at 2 for milk (2oz)
woke at 7.30 for the day

he slept so soundly that i even managed to watch waking the dead in bed with him lying beside me fast asleep

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