Do I need to move nap again?! Or bedtime?

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I posted on here a few months ago when I was at the top of my tree and had some brilliant advice! DD (16m) was waking for the day around 4am but I dropped to 1 nap instead of two and the issue was solved. She has this nap around 11-1.
Recently she's started waking earlier and earlier, generally around 5am. I try not to get up with her til 6 at the earliest but it's hard to keep her quiet.
She is still in with me as she doesn't sleep through the night, though I plan to move her into her own room (maybe I'm disturbing her some of the time?).
Just wondered if it's worthwhile trying to push the nap on til after lunch or if that's a bit late? She goes to bed at 7pm, is this too early?! Any help appreciated!

Bedtime not too early. I'd try the nap around 11.30, aiming for 12/12.30 in next few months. If she does need a sleep because of the early wakes, do it after 9 and wake before 10am, putting her down again later for big nap. She sounds over tired but I had this around the same age and it was just one of those things to get through, much better by 18m.

Thanks mikado1 I didn't think it was too early but started to wonder.
I'll try moving it on incrementally and see where we go. She's a live wire by 9am but suppose this could change. I don't especially mind 6am starts but earlier than that takes its toll and I find myself going to bed early and missing out on time with dh!

I’d be aiming for lunch at 1130 then nap 12-2 with a 7pm bedtime. Try to resist falling back into the trap of a morning nap, it won’t help the early waking.

And yes I’d move her to her own room as well.

Thanks welshweasel I don't think she'd have another morning nap even given the opportunity. That routine sounds achievable and not a million miles away from what we do now (snack then nap).
I'm working on her room this weekend so hopefully it will be ready for her to move in to soon. It's on a different floor to my bedroom so I've been reluctant but we'll give it a good go.
She starts nursery next week so I'm a bit worried about all the change for her! It's only 2 mornings a week but feels significant!

Nursery will probably help as it will be easier to shift to a long post lunch nap as she’ll be tired. Good luck with the room move. It was a game changer for us.

I was hoping that she'd play all morning then come home shattered too but when I took her for a settling in session she fell asleep!! At least she's comfortable. I'll have a chat with her key worker and explain my plan.
Took your advice yesterday and she managed 12-2.30 nap.
We had a couple of wakes in the night then the usual 5am chirping. I said 'too early' and laid her back down. It took a little while of rolling around grumbling but the next thing I knew we all woke up with dh alarm at 7!!
I think it's a habit, so if I can break it and keep the later nap we might be on to something

I can't break the habit and I feel like I can't fucking do this any more. Awake every 30 mins and up for the day at 5.30. I think somethings wrong but I don't know what, calpol makes no difference. Aaaargh

Sorry to hear that op. I've got a 10 month old doing the same and I'm just going to bed at 9 myself. It's not perfect but I am less tired!

Sorry you're having trouble too. I already go to bed at 8.30 the waking starts around 11 though and continues through the night.
I hope her bedroom will be ready at the weekend but I'm anxious about it already. If she's like this in there I think I'll have to look into training/sleep consultant.

Your not doing anything wrong and it's not a bad habit either. Many small children wake this early, mine both did.

Also the waking up lots still at this age can be normal to. I had one that did sleep but one that did wake up lots. You can try her own room it may help but don't be afraid to bring her back with you if she needs it. Often they just need the comfort.

Look up night time parenting by DrSears. I found him very helpful.

is there space for a single bed or even a blow up bed on her room? just in case she's up a lot? or maybe start with naps in a travel cot for a couple of days in her room. I'm having early waking with 17mo dd and using big sister gro clock to move forward. also nap quite long, dd has mac 1.30 usually.

Teething? My daughter has only just stopped waking constantly after a few weeks of this as she has been teething horribly.

I'm not as bothered by the early waking, I'm a morning person anyway, but not after being awake most of the night as well. I'll look up Dr Sears!
As it stands there isn't space but I will make room if need be. Otherwise it'll be sleeping on the landing with the cat! Naps are hit and miss when she's at nursery but so far it hasn't made much difference (difficult to say for sure with it being sporadic). I feel like she needs it to catch up a bit, but she can do that on 1.5hrs so I'll cut it back a bit.
Teething could definitely be a factor judging by her nappies. Pain relief doesn't make any difference which surprises me if it is. She's cutting her incisors which seem so much worse than molars!

Yes definitely the teeth get more painful as they go along-I remember wondering what all the fuss was with the first few!

OK the waking every 20 mins has stopped and I've calmed down a bit last night was a fairly typical night. Napped 11.30-1.30, bed for 7 and up at 5. Woke up 5 times for dummy/back rub. I think I need to shorten nap/move bedtime or both if I want to stay in bed past 5!

How many dummies do you have in the bed? Your little one should be able to find their own dummy in the night. Just keep a few in the bed within reach!

What happens if you don't get up for the dummies/back rub? Have you tried leaving it a bit longer before you rush to comfort? I found that when I did this my daughter would after a few minutes go back to sleep on her own. The waking sounds habitual and should be something you can break. The same in the morning... we don't rush to my daughter in the morning and she usually dozed off for another half an hour or so in the morning after her initial stirring.

Just the one dummy but it's attached to a comforter and she can find it during the day at nap time but can't seem to find it at night before getting too flustered. I'll try chucking another in.
I try not to jump up to every whimper, I really do. But because she's still in our room, I can't take the assault on my ears and I worry about how much she disturbs dh.
She starts crying, escalates to shouting/screaming then sits up and stands, telling at the top of her voice. Sometimes tops it off with a puke. The longer I leave her, the harder it is to get her back off to sleep.
I think when she moves into her room it'll be easier to ignore her for a bit/do some gentle sleep training. We had unexpected visitors this weekend so didn't make much progress

My friends sleep consultant said no longer than 5 hours to bedtime (4.5 being the ideal when transition starts) so
1130-130 would give 630 bed latest...

She may be overtired which is causing the early waking...so try shift nap later
So 12-2 or 1230-230 and then you can do bed at 645/7? And move it later as she copes better so bed can be 7 comfortably

HTH!