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I don't know how much more I can take

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batfish · 19/11/2018 19:03

This is going to be a totally self indulgent moan so apologies in advance. I have a 3 year old and a 7 month old who do not sleep. I haven't slept for over 3 years. My evenings and nights are so desperately miserable and I just don't know what to do - of course there is no option but to just carry on but it's just awful.

We have tried so many things with our older son that I have totally lost all hope. It's like when you can't be bothered to go on a diet because you know you're never actually going to be thin.

The only time that things were better temporarily were when he was 13 months old and we did sleep training with him - leaving him to cry for a few minutes at a time. And he started to sleep through for a few short (glorious) months but then was sick and so he came into our bed for a few nights and that was it, back to square 1. And I never had the stomach for the sleep training again.

We have recently paid a sleep consultant to help us with him but as we were coming to the end of the sleep plan, which was to be out of the room when he falls asleep (having moved further away from the bed over the previous nights), he started to freak out saying he was scared of shadows and monsters and he did seem genuinely terrified so we couldn't force him to be in the room on his own. So that was another attempt down the pan.

So the problem we have with him is that he dicks around for ages going to bed and then wakes in the night and comes into our bed and ends up sleeping sideways so we can hardly squeeze in. He also insists on it being me that goes to him in the night and will go totally loopy for a very long time if my husband goes and says I'm asleep or not able to come. And of course I could never sleep through him screaming the house down so even if my husband insists that I'm not coming I could never stay asleep or go back to sleep.

Then there is the baby. Feeds to sleep, wakes 20 million times a night, I regularly contemplate amputating my own arm as to avoid waking him whilst sliding it out from under him. We are 100% heading down the same slippery slope as with my older son.

A few nights ago between the 2 of them they woke up ELEVEN times. They're killing me. I work full time (get home at 7pm) and then my evenings are spent trying to get them to sleep or running up and down stairs when they wake. Tonight by some miracle they were actually asleep at a reasonable hour and I couldn't believe my luck - but then the baby woke so many times that by 10pm (I'm not in the UK so it's already past 10pm here) I hadn't managed to finish my dinner and just got so pissed off that I left it and came to bed. My husband and I get no time alone together and we basically have no idea what is going on in each others' lives as we are either working or dealing with children. And when we do get chance to interact I'm so tired that I can't even be bothered to catch up. Life admin is so far behind that someone could have been using my credit card for months and I wouldn't notice as don't have time to even check the statement.

I'm not posting for any advice as there is none. I just need to moan to people who will understand. So thank you for listening. I've created these bad habits as nobody else I know has anywhere near this level of sleep issues with their kids. I've done all of the wrong things and it's not fair of me to be angry with the kids for not sleeping but it's so hard, I am the most patient and laid back person but I've never known a more frustrating situation.

The only way I get through each day is to somehow believe that tonight will be different. But I know it won't be, and I'm so done.

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Catheroooo · 19/11/2018 19:25

Oh OP. I'm so sorry. Ididnt want to read and run. I don't have any advice as I'm a first time mum but my 11 month old has always been a wakeful baby but at the moment is near on hourly. I just wanted to say you're not alone. It's so hard, I feel the same about my partner and life admin. I am sure it will get better for you I just hope it will be soon. Maybe its worth trying a different skeepconsultant...

bluepixie · 19/11/2018 19:59

Oh gosh batfish? So sorry. Lack of sleep makes life impossible

What about a sleep consultant to get the 7 month old sleeping better? Then at least you only have one bad sleeper?!? I used one for my 7 month old and it was simple and straight forward for us...did ur previous sleep consultant not advise you to change ur plan and what to do as the original approach didn’t work? You can get ones who will work with you for a number of weeks to get things sorted (if that’s not what you used)

Well done for surving such a difficult time and hope it improves

SilverDoe · 19/11/2018 20:13

That sounds so hard :( Flowers

I have a 3 year old and a 1 year old and the 3 year old has almost always been such a beautiful sleeper but the 1 year old is very wakeful. They have the same routines but the boy is just fussier and wakes himself up a lot! But it sounds like nothing compared to what you go through :(

Pleas on top of everything don’t blame yourself, you never know what is going to work and some children are just naturally not as good at sleeping through the night.

What do your kids days look like? Is their any chance they’re over ornunderstimulated? Hungry? Would doing things in a different order help?

I cannot imagine the impact of a sustained lack of sleep, you have my utmost sympathy.Wine Flowers

Beansprout30 · 19/11/2018 20:21

That does sound seriously hard work and I feel for you. Please don't blame yourself, truth be told, I think a lot more people go through this than actually admit. You just did what you felt was right at the time and it's not your fault.

I know you don't want advice but my experience with my first dd, she was a shit sleeper from day one, around 14 months it was getting worse and I felt so awful I just had to push through with sleep training. I can feel it going the same way with my five month old who I co-sleep with and feed to sleep, I want it easy while I can but I feel awful as I know at some point I will have to break this habit.

I hope things improve for you soon x

RitaSueandFatFuckingMavis · 19/11/2018 21:13

💐🍷 and hugs to you op.

You sound as though you are a fantastic Mum and are only doing what you believe to be best for your children.

This too shall pass. And it will.

Definitely look at the daytime routine- too little / too much sleep etc
Lack of stimulation/ over stimulation.

Shame you aren't in the uk as if you lived near me I'd come over and give you a big hug

💐💐

mockorangey · 19/11/2018 22:14

That sounds really hard OP and I can relate to some of it. My 13 month DD old wakes regularly all evening and all night and cosleeps with me. DH sleeps in another room. The only way I can think to sleep train is to have DH respond to all the wake ups as if I go she expects to be fed, whereas if he goes she is content with cuddles. So we're trying that at the moment for the evening wake ups and we'll see how it goes.

I also have a 4 year old DS, who does sleep through most of the time, thank goodness. However, when DD came along and he realised she was sleeping in my bed, he decided he wanted to sleep there too (despite never having wanted to before). After a lot of back and forth, I have managed to hold him off sleeping in my bed by lying next to him as he goes to sleep every evening. Like your 3 year old, he messes around at bedtime and it can easily take an hour. Oh, and the nights where he does wake up, he only wants me and will cry and wake DD up if DH dares to go to him Hmm

Rach000 · 21/11/2018 15:28

We got into bad habits with my 3, nearly 4 year old as she was never a brilliant sleeper. Got worse at 2.5 when went into a bed and I was pregnant. She became very clingy and we let her come in our bed more. We had a spare bed so when the baby came my husband ended up in the spare bed with her most nights so we could all get some sleep. She wouldn't stay in her own bed and when we tired to be tough she would have a meltdown in the middle of the night. We needed to change the spare room into her bedroom so baby could have her room. We found that this was the only way to sort the problem. As she had a new room and bed and the spare bed was gone so we just said she had to sleep in her bed. She used to wake at first and we had to sit in her room most nights when she woke but has got out of the habit of waking now. Not sure if that helps.. Maybe a change and then been tough?
I also have a 11 month old who wake a few times a night still. Not much advise there as we haven't managed to find anything that works and she is in our bed every night now!! We also don't want to get into the same bad habit but looks like we have done. Want to try some sort of sleep training soon but never the right time with work and colds etc...

RubySlippers77 · 21/11/2018 15:39

Oh OP, if you are doing all you can then you have nothing to blame yourself about at all! Some DC are simply worse sleepers than others, no doubt about it. My friend is an ex-Nanny - so plenty of experience with kids - and both of hers are terrible sleepers Confused

My DC are 3 and regressing a bit, we have three or four wake ups per night between them, and still much faffing around at bedtime Angry having nightlights has helped a bit, plus I had to drop their nap to get them to sleep any time before 10pm - I think mine are just a bit wakeful, if they are in a room with me or DP they sleep a lot better.

And completely empathise about not seeing/ talking to your partner; I'd rather sleep or have a quiet evening than bother to catch up and talk!

Is there anyone who could take them for a night to give you a break? Could you go out so your DS knows you're not physically in the house at bedtime? Just thinking of things to break the cycle. And sending hugs xx

HJWT · 22/11/2018 01:55

Op your very brave, I would leave my DD to scream the house down till she fell asleep 😂

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