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What would you do? Mostly regarding dummy...

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MeadowHay · 10/11/2018 17:47

DD, almost 5 months, has always been a decent sleeper for her age really, apart from the odd blip. Since being about 8 weeks old she has had her last feed around 9/10pm and not fed again until she got up (which used to be around 8am but now is more like 6 or 7am). She has however always been a crier - like crying most of the time, most days, including huge screaming fits of 2hrs + (no medical reason that anyone can find). She doesn't usually tolerate being left anywhere, and she can't fall asleep herself. She still cries a lot, and the dummy is one of the things that often stops the otherwise near-constant crying, so she spends a lot of her time with a dummy in her mouth - definitely not just for sleep and naps like a lot of people say their babies do! I really dislike it, but I dislike the constant crying and screaming more - it's really had a huge impact on my mental health and put a big strain on my marriage.

DD usually wakes 2/3 times in the night slightly and goes back off to sleep straight away with her dummy put back in her mouth. She doesn't even open her eyes, just starts to cry a little and moves her head side to side rooting for it. If we leave her, she cries more and more, and properly wakes up, and then you can't get her back to sleep without spending up to an hour rocking her, dummy, patting her, etc, or end up needing to feed her a few oz of milk (she's bottle fed). However the last week or so she is waking hourly, sometimes a few times in an hour, all night long. It is absolutely killing us. She is in a Bednest on DH's side of the bed, so he only has to lean over to put it in, but the noise obviously wakes me too. DM pointed out frequent waking like this is a form of torture!!

So I am looking for some advice. I won't do controlled crying or anything like that at least not at this age. Shall I suck it up and in time she will learn to put the dummy in herself? But how will that work if she doesn't even open her eyes in these brief wakenings? I'm worried that by the time she is old enough to actually put the dummy back in, she won't because she would need to fully waken for that, open her eyes etc, and then she might not want to go back to sleep again if she's properly awake??

I feel that weaning her off it would be really tough if we go the cold-turkey route. I have read about babies crying for short periods of time and going to sleep quickly after people have ditched the dummy. I have tried short periods of time, 10/15 mins and she has cried and when she starts to get hysterical I give up. She frequently screams for an hour/two hours at a time (although it is getting less as she gets older), so I never want to do anything to add to that! However we are exhausted with this poor sleep. The other thing though is that I'm worried that if I took it away, we would end up having to spend longer soothing her on a night, and/or getting up to feed her multiple times, although she doesn't feed to sleep anyway!

Sorry that was soooo long. What would you do in this situation??

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LumpySpaceCow · 10/11/2018 20:04

Could she be hungry in the night which is why she is frequently waking?
I personally wouldn't worry about the dummy. You do what you can to get you through! If she settles with a dummy then great (I wish my 11 month old would take one!). At some point she will stop using it, whether that will be in 6 months or 3 years.

Choccywoccyhooha · 10/11/2018 20:06

Yes, I think it sounds like she is hungry in the night too. All of mine still had milk in the early hours at that age and I was up in the night with them.

MeadowHay · 11/11/2018 20:52

If she was hungry though, surely she wouldn't go straight back to sleep with the dummy? Like in the daytime, if she is waking for a feed from a nap, she will wake up fully, open her eyes, talk a bit, smile at you etc and if you don't get the feed quick enough she will then become fussy and eventually cry, refuse the dummy etc. She doesn't do that in the night, I mean she would eventually cry a lot and open her eyes if we left her and didn't put the dummy in, but she doesn't wake properly first like she does when she's ready to get up and have a feed, iyswim? Like first thing in the morning she wakes us up talking, eyes wide open, smiles at us etc, completely differnent from when she wakes in the night. She also has roughly the right amount of formula as the packet says for 24 hours, she just has it all before we put her down for the night (5 bottles roughly 7oz a bottle).

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MeadowHay · 11/11/2018 20:53

Also she never drinks her 'breakfast' bottle properly either. She usually drinks about 4oz fairly quickly and then refuses the rest and goes back to it 30 mins/an hour later. Whereas sometimes later in the day if she's hungry she'll chug down like 6/7oz in one go. I always find this odd as I'd imagine she'd be starving after not having a feed for so long but she doesn't seem that interested Confused.

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my3bears · 11/11/2018 21:13

Is she sleeping in a next to me type bed? Could you put the side up or put her cot in your room but move it further away. I found that about that age I would disturb my baby and wake him/her up. A bit soon for another room (still have my nearly 3 year old in my room lol) but further away from your bed May help x

my3bears · 11/11/2018 21:14

Oh and I may get lynched here but have you weaned her/introduced solids yet?

iddybiddymum · 11/11/2018 22:02

Oh this does not sound fun. I'm no expert, I've got a 7 month old whom hasn't had the dummy for 4 days. She's been more ratty and we know If just gave her the dummy she would settle instantly - but ... I'm being strong. However she does not go into a meltdown.
I would try solids as lots of mums I've spoken to said it was a game changer for them- and I would try anything! Does she have a comforter? My LO loves hers so as long as she has that sleeping is a little easier ! X

MeadowHay · 12/11/2018 10:53

bears Yes, she sleeps in a Bednest, which is a bedside crib, attached to DH's side of the bed, however he keeps the side up, he only puts it down if she doesn't go straight back off to sleep and he needs to pat her a bit or something. I don't think it is her being disturbed by us, or at least not in the middle of the night, because neither of us snore or anything, and it is always her waking us up! And no, we won't be weaning her until around the 6 month mark. But I don't think it's hunger so I don't think that will help. If she only started waking from say the middle of the night then I'd be more inclined to think hunger, but she does this right from going down the for the night and she obviously isn't hungry say 1 or 2 hours after her last bottle.

Last night went like this: she had 5oz of milk at 9.30pm, and was in bed by 10pm which is much quicker than usual lol, I went up to bed around 10.30pm and she woke briefly for her dummy but that probably was because I disturbed her, and then a second time around 11pm when I was already in bed and not making any noise.
Again at around 1am.
Again at around 2.30am.
Again at around 6am - I thought she might want to get up properly then, but she went back to sleep with the dummy.
Up for the day at 7.30am which is a bit later than usual but still within the realms of her normal. Drank 6oz of milk then finished the last 2 ozs about an hour later.

So last night wasn't as bad as some of the others!

I am trying to introduce comforters but I haven't been consistent so will try and be more consistent with that. She does like to hold on to things/us when she's dropping off so that might help. DH and I are nervous about leaving them in the crib with her all night cos of SIDS risk though. What age is it ok to leave a comforter in with them?

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MeadowHay · 12/11/2018 10:55

Also can I just say that if anyone is reading this and has older babies/toddlers that are frequently waking in the night to feed/BF, I really hope my post doesn't irritate you too much, I do feel bad whinging when I am well aware that many people have it sooo much worse when it comes to the nights Flowers.

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Orlande · 12/11/2018 10:57

Mine had a dummy bunny - you can attach dummies to each of its paws to make it easier for them to find one.

pastabest · 12/11/2018 11:34

I think SIDS guidance is to continue with a dummy until 12 months if you have introduced one.

FWIW although your post hadn't irritated me I am smiling because you are trying to fix something that is entirely normal behaviour for a baby that age, and actually your 'problem' sleeping behaviour is still far better than my EBF 5 month old DC2s sleeping patterns (and therefore no help from DH at all, it's all me).

It's quite often said on here that between 4-5 months many previously 'good' babies hit the 4 month sleep regression and it all goes to shit. That's probably what is happening here. I also wouldn't rule out hunger even if that's not what it's been before.

It is just a phase, you just have to ride it out and accept that in the grand scheme of things it's really not that bad. Just keep replacing the dummy for now (possibly try a feed just to see) and things will improve with time.

MeadowHay · 12/11/2018 12:18

Pasta I know, I do feel awful for moaning about it, thank you for being kind Flowers. I need to put my big girl pants on and get on with it Blush !

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NeurotrashWarrior · 13/11/2018 16:43

I do think it could be developmental. My 6 mo old has been doing this on and off fir a month. Cut two teeth in that time too.

Last night was hourly or more except its boob so I'm trying to get him into a dummy!

I think it's managing it so you can go back to sleep quickly yourself, usually best to not make changes during a regression. Apparently.

I've started sleeping with him cuddled into me to see if it helps. (Safely)

MeadowHay · 13/11/2018 18:41

Neuro It must be sooo hard having to BF at each wake-up. I only EBF for 6 weeks and then combination fed til 12 weeks but she didn't regularly feed in the night after 8 weeks anyway. It was exhausting getting up a few times a night to BF in the early weeks, you are a trooper and doing a brilliant job and a great thing for your baby Flowers. I hope things get easier for you soon

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NeurotrashWarrior · 13/11/2018 20:56

Thanks meadow but tbh I'm very lazy and just stick the boob in and go back to sleep which probably doesn't help matters long term.

It's not helpful for you but I do think it's very normal/common for many babies. Mine used to suck his fingers at night ; I do wish he'd remember how 😭

Apparently permaboobing is very natural but I'm sure when we originally evolved my mil might have taken the slack occasionally

NeurotrashWarrior · 13/11/2018 20:57

Don't say 'only' fed for 6 weeks. That was awesome well done you!

icelollies · 14/11/2018 11:57

I think she will very soon learn to find the dummy herself - the glow in the dark ones are good and if you put several in the cot she will find one of them at least without needing you to help!

Can you teach her during the day to find it? Or help her improve her motor skills? Sleep deprivation is awful, and if she needs her dummy during the day why not let her have it? She won’t have it forever!

MeadowHay · 15/11/2018 12:10

Thanks ice, I have bought some glow-in-the-dark ones for the next size up, she uses Phillips Avent ones and currently using 0-6 mth but they go to a 6-18mth one so have bought some of them in glow-in-the-dark for when she gets a bit bigger. When do they learn to put it in themselves? She is trying hard at it in the day - she frequently takes it out of her mouth and plays with it and tries to put it back in but like 99% of the time she can't, bless her. I am wondering whether she will be able to do it at night even once she has learned though, because at the moment when she wakes she doesn't even open her eyes, just starts to cry and moves her head around a bit. I'm worried that even if she has the motor skills to put it back in, that would mean she would have to fully waken to find the dummy and then she might not go straight back off?? And yes you're right about not having it forever, I need to just chill on that point I guess. I do feel judged given how often she has it in her mouth but nobody has said anything to me about it, it's just me being hard on myself and feeling insecure I guess.

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