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Skininho81 · 31/08/2018 10:25

Hello everyone.

Long time lurker first time signer-upper.

37 year old first time dad here. My partner is 38 and has two children from a previous relationship who are 9 and 12. Our son is 16 months old.

He has never been a good sleeper. In his 16 months of life he has 'slept through' (from about 7pm to 6am) twice.

We have never let him cry it out, we've always attended to him within a couple of minutes (basically as quickly as we could get there). Often only a boob would calm him down / get him back to sleep and so often he'd end up in the bed with us all night. This continued even after we moved him to his own room and it was a constant back and forth and ultimately in our bed again.

When he was about 9 months, we tried "pick up put down" which is a method involving picking him up, holding him until he stops crying, and then putting him back down immediately, awake. At the start, this involved 100s of pick ups and put downs as he would immediately cry and bounce up again. However, eventually he would stay down and go back to sleep. This solved the boob addiction at that point and led to improvement, and by the time he was a year old we had got to the point where he was only getting up a couple of times a night and I was able to get him back down quickly (usually). I had to do all the night visits as if my partner went in he would just demand boob and we'd be back at square one.

Then in May this year, a month after his birthday, our house was flooded and we had to first of all move to my parents in law for a month, then to a temporary accommodation (where we will be until probably January).

The pick up put down stopped working completely when we moved in with the in laws. He just could not be settled and it was keeping everyone up for hours. Many times I or my partner ended up downstairs with him at 3am/4am playing with his toys just to calm him down. We also started to have a problem with him going to sleep at all. After pick up put down although he was still waking up a couple of times he was great going to sleep. We had a routine and I would put him down awake and he would fiddle about in his cot for a bit and make himself comfortable then would just go to sleep by himself. Almost immediately after we moved he would no longer go to sleep by himself and would just cry as soon as we put him in the cot. I think that was down to interrupting the routine but it added to the whole problem.

Now, because the temporary accommodation is smaller than our house he doesn't have his own room anymore and is back in a cot in our room. We have eventually been able to get back to our bedtime routine and he has been going down OK but he is waking up at 11pm/midnight and is literally inconsolable. I cannot do pick up put down because he is now so strong and thrashes out if I do it and he's in danger of hurting himself or me. It's also pointless because holding him doesn't calm him down. He gets into a total state. The only thing that works is either complete distraction (lights on, toys out) or boob.

So now we are back where we were before where he is basically a newborn - up most of the night feeding, in our bed, or else yelling the whole house awake. It's really taking its toll and we are starting to get sick from the lack of sleep. I'm probably getting about 4 hours a night at best - my partner even less at night but then she is able to sleep a bit in the evening after bedtime. But it's really killing us now.

Other pertinent information: he still has no teeth and although he has had occasional teething like symptoms, the teeth have never come. This current issue isn't teething though I am sure because he doesn't have any of the other symptoms and it is consistent (ie. Every night).

Although he has no teeth he eats well (past week or so we have had real difficulty getting him into the high chair but that's a different problem) and has a wide and varied diet (although vegetarian). About the only thing he doesn't eat is lettuce or leaves of any kind (difficult with just gums).

He goes to nursery/daycare 4 days a week since his 1st birthday and has settled in really well, doesn't cry when left there anymore and is doing really well.

In all other aspects he is a happy healthy toddler and he walks really well and babbles and has a few words, so all as expected.

Tell us what to do - we are DESPERATE.

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LapinR0se · 31/08/2018 10:55

Pick up put down is really far too stimulating for a baby of his age. That’s why it has stopped working.
He must be all confused now and desperately overtired.
I know he is in a cot in your room which will be making things difficult too. Is there anywhere else at all you can put the cot? Even an ensuite or somewhere he can be in proper dark and quiet without disruption from you?
At this age good sleep training options are gradual retreat or controlled crying. PUPD will not be of any use.

Skininho81 · 31/08/2018 12:10

Yes, it just isn't working at all. It looks more and more like we are going to have to do controlled crying. :(

The problem is that I fear if we leave him he will get into such a state that he will hurt himself. And also that he won't calm down at all. He has had daytime tantrums that have went on for 30mins plus, basically right up until a serious distraction. I dread to think what that would be like at 3am.

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Greenwomanofmay · 31/08/2018 12:30

Mine baby is a couple of months younger but also a bad sleeper and addicted to the boob, here's what I've found has worked.
Manage day time naps very carefully so he's not overtired at bed time.
When desperate use calpol
Fresh air and plenty of exercise before bed, e.g. Trip to park or a running round game.
Food and getting enough calories in them is vital. My baby has to see the dietitian due to an allergy who said at this age they need more calories but won't necessarily eat more food so they have to have more calorie dense food. I was told to add vegan cheese to food, peanut butter or hummus on toast etc otherwise he'd just want to feed in the night. When I get the food right he wakes twice (bed at 9pm, wakes 2.30 and 5.30, up at 7). I still feed half baby food as he only has a few teeth and is teething constantly and give some plain homemade cake at 8.30pm before bed.
I can't leave mine to cry as he can cry for hours, apparently I was the same and I did grow out of it.

RightyHoChaps · 31/08/2018 12:42

Moving to a whole new place is so unsettling for a little one. If you think about it it's no wonder he's not going to sleep. Completely new smells, no idea where he is or where you are...

We tried PUPD at 6 months and it didn't fit us. It was so emotionally exhausting and in the end the most he got was a 20 minute nap and would then wake up crying. PP is right about it being too stimulating for a 1yo+

My DS is 14 months old now. He still falls asleep on the boob. For naps and night time. He was sleeping in with us for a while but I found a genius suggestion that really works for us. I can settle him on the boob at night and then slip out to spend some time with my partner.

Sarah Ockwell Smith is a freaking genius. These are all suggestions from her:

FLOOR BED - We use a floor bed in my son's room. Its big enough for me and him. If he rolls over its okay because there's nowhere to fall to. You can use a normal mattress.
WHITE NOISE - I have white noise for him that plays continuously through the night (that's quite a big one).
LATER BEDTIME - we don't put him to sleep until about 8pm/8.30pm.

I have a video camera in his room so I can keep an eye and hear him if he needs me to go in and settle him. Then when I'm ready to go to bed, I sneak in and fall asleep next to him.
We've just started with me falling asleep in 'Mummy and Daddy's' bed at bedtime and then if he wakes up, I go in with him then. I figure eventually he'll be too tired to cry for milk and settle himself.

It works so well for us. No it's not perfect but it took alot of pressure off. I figure my son will come off the boob when he's ready. He's just switched to one nap a day so he's already cutting boob time down by himself.

I'd say go with the flow and don't put so much pressure on yourself. Sleep regressions are normal and it's unusual for babies and toddlers to sleep the night through.

Skininho81 · 31/08/2018 21:30

Thanks for all the advice folks. There are a few things in there definitely worth trying.

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