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Co-sleeping problems

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AAHL · 09/03/2018 09:40

Hello!
My son is 4.5 months old and pretty much since he was 4 weeks old we have co slept. I always put him down at night in his cot next to our bed around 6.30 but once he wakes up and I'm already in bed (usually around 10pm I bring him in to our bed). It has worked well so far as he will feed and go back to sleep without me having to properly wake up. However, the last few nights he has been feeding so much. So much so it's keeping me up for ages and actually beginning to hurt me a little bit. He doesn't seem to be feeding for ages each time and it seems like he's just doing for comfort as soon as he stirs a little bit he needs my boob back in his mouth to settle again. I know this is normal for him to use it for comfort but it's so tiring for me now and I'm worried he's just got into such bad habits as I was so relaxed about co sleeping and feeding to sleep and cuddling before and have never really tried to get him to self settle. Also he is definitely feeding less in the day, maybe only 5 times or so. I just don't know where to start in trying to make it better or will it get better on it's own?

I have tried a dummy for him for comfort instead but he hates them so that's not an answer either. Help!!

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KikiA · 09/03/2018 10:20

Hi! I'm a month and a half ahead of you, and while I can only talk from my own experience of co-sleeping, at 4.5 months my little one went through a growth spurt and sleep regression.

The problem at this age is that they can become highly distractable during the day and consequently feed less, so they end up reverse cycling (feeding more through the night than the day). The best way to try and remedy that is to remove all distractions during daytime feeds - move to a quiet, dimly-lit room and see if that makes any difference. The other thing to bear in mind with respect to feeding and growth spurts is that your prolactin levels peak during the night, so often it's an attempt to boost your milk supply. I wouldn't class it as bad habits, per se, it's more down to developmental and growth phases. We also had issues because my son started rolling at 4 months and used his night waking as an opportunity to practice! It did eventually cease to be a problem, but its obviously a very exciting time for them when they learn a new skill and they have no concept that night time is not the time to be doing these things!

The not so great news is that because of the sleep regression, he is still unable to link sleep cycles and pretty much wakes constantly for feeding to help him get back to sleep. Doesn't necessarily mean your LO will be the same, just worth bearing in mind.

Like you, I got worried about the self-soothing issue, but I have recently come around to thinking that it's a heap of nonsense. Regardless of how long it takes them to get there, they WILL eventually learn to link sleep cycles and go to sleep without needing us. I am 100% with you on the exhaustion and it being tough, but having sat down and thought long and hard about it, any kind of "training" them out of it is effectively denying them what their bodies are biologically programmed to need from us. If they didn't need it, they wouldn't ask it of us. With that in mind I thought about how I could find a way of gently trying to adjust things (my LO refuses to sleep without me or the boob, meaning he often wouldn't sleep until 10-11), so the other night I decided, since I was exhausted, I would lie there and feed him for 3 hours or so from about 6:30. He did still wake through the night, yes, but he was far less wriggly and by my own usual bedtime I was able to move away from him and sleep comfortably until he did wake for another feeding session. Obviously one night doesn't mean I've found a solution, but my point being that I think we just have to try many, many different things until we find something that helps.

As for the sore nipples, make sure you are piling on the Lansinoh after every feed.

Appreciate I haven't given you all the answers you might feel you needed but I at least hope it provides you with the reassurance that this is all very normal and that there's nothing you are doing wrong. Keep up the good work, mama! X

AAHL · 09/03/2018 15:56

Thank you KikiA ! I think I just need some reassurance. So hard not to compare and worry. Your message has made me feel loads better already. Thanks again

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KikiA · 09/03/2018 17:49

That's ok. It can be quite overwhelming - I always said I wasn't going to read up on things because I feel like we should trust our instincts to know what's best for them but curiosity got the better of me.

I can, however, say that after several failed attempts at teaching my LO to "self-soothe" I have literally just (and I mean just over the last couple of days - I actually posted my own thread on feeding to sleep) come to the conclusion that he's six bloody months old. Why on earth should a six month old child be able to self soothe when he hasn't even the ability to understand when I leave the room I AM coming back and that I haven't just fallen off the face of the earth? He is still developing his understanding of the world, so I'll leave it to him to tell me when he's ready and in the meantime I'll carry on doing what he tells me he needs 😊.

You just do what feels right to you - there will always be someone who wants to stick their oar in and give you unsolicited advice, or you'll read something and it'll have you questioning whether you're doing it right, but no one knows your baby better than you and there really isn't a one-size-fits-all solution to the problems and phases we come up against, so just go with your gut and do what you feel is right ❤ x

ealj6815 · 09/03/2018 20:14

I think co sleeping is a really bad idea as they get used to it and problems occur like this one. Not to mention it can be dangerous. It's a really bad habit that's hard to get out of. By the sounds of it he may be ready to start weaning. I know they advise you not too do it too young but i work in a nursery where many parents have done it and it never hurt them... just start off with a banana really really blended and even a plain digestive biscuit in warm water or mixed with his milk... try giving him more milk before bed.. I'd really advise to start trying to get him to sleep on his own. The first few weeks will be terrible but it will be worth it in the end.

I co-slept with my eldest until he was 6 months old. When he got to 5 months old he was waking up nearly every 2 hour then he got to a point where he wouldn't even nap without being with me. So I put him in his cot and the first 10 nights where the worst nights of my life but after that it was like god sent me heaven and he turned to the golden child. He had his tea at 5 bath at 6:30, bottle and story at 7 then I could just put him in his cot and by half 7 he would be asleep until 8 the next morning. He still even had an hours nap at 12:00pm every day.

Persevere hun it's upsetting but worth it. Good luck

teaandbiscuitsforme · 09/03/2018 20:33

Ignore all the misinformation from the PP! Biscuit and warm water at 4 months old?? Just no.

Read some of the more informative threads about cosleeping. There's been quite a few recently. It sounds to me like he's in the middle of the 4 month regressions and IMO the way to look at it is either you could be feeding on demand through the night or you could be getting up every time, rocking, shushing etc. For me, I'd rather stay in bed so I'd always choose BF and cosleep.

It will pass. Things will settle down again! (Until the next phase of course! Wink)

Creatureofthenight · 09/03/2018 20:42

So I put him in his cot
That’s a bit vague. You put him in his cot and what? Sang to him, patted him, left him to cry?
Whenever people tell you to put baby in the cot awake but drowsy they never include what to do next...

ArtOfKnit · 09/03/2018 20:54

Op, first of all ignore the poster advising you to wean - how ridiculous to suggest biscuits at 4 months!

RE cosleeping, having been in your shoes 3 or so months ago, I totally understand! We were cosleeping and my LO definitely went through phases where they were attached to my boob all night, when teething, ill or during a growth spurt. I loved cosleeping, but did start to get a little worried that they didn’t know how to self soothe, that they wouldn’t be able to sleep in a cot in their own room, that I was creating a rod for my own back. At 6 months it naturally got to a point were we were disturbing each other at night, so I took the plunge and moved my baby into their own room. My DH took a week off work, and we were prepared for a week from hell. Guess what? Baby went from 7.30pm till 4.30am!! They were obviously ready and I hadn’t created a “bad habit” cosleeping.

That’s not to say that they do this every night - my LO is still a baby afterall, and during teething, growth spurts etc still needs extra feeds in the night, and has on occasion come back into our bed - but I hope it reassures you that you are not creating a rod for your own back!

crazycatlady5 · 09/03/2018 21:04

Lol at @ealj6815 terrible advice 😂 nothing wrong with cosleeping. I have many friends who have coslept until about 18 months, and now they’re sleeping through in their own beds. No such thing as bad habits.

racheyloo · 09/03/2018 21:16

What a group of bitchy mummies! Dear me. Studying midwifery for 4 years, completing a nursing course specialising in babies and now in a job that specialises in babies development as well as still currently being a midwife as well as raising 3 children of my own I will assure you a digestive biscuit blending with milk OR warm water is absolutely fine for your baby at 4 months DEPENDING on your baby! By the sounds of it your baby may like that but seek medical advice first to be sure. And yes she is right co sleeping is extremely dangerous! So ignore the bitchy know it all mums, what you need to do is do whatever you think is best, do what makes you feel comfortable, cuddle tour baby that bit longer because before you know it they will be too big to cuddle anymore. If your concerned or struggling see a midwife or your baby's doctor. They can give good advice.

sourpatchkid · 09/03/2018 21:41

Heads up Rachey ... referring to mums offering other mums advice as "bitchy mummies" probably won't go down to well in your very specialist career.

Were you also taught current NHS guidance is not to wean until after 6 months?

teaandbiscuitsforme · 09/03/2018 21:43

As a midwife and a nurse, I would be interested to know why you think a biscuit would be a suitable replacement for breastmilk? Or have the WHO got it wrong?

NoSwsForYou · 09/03/2018 21:48

Please don’t give your 4.5 month old a digestive biscuit. Wow. And I say that as a woman who gave her 4 month old mashed up banana —under duress from MIL—

I coslept, it’s dangerous if not done safely for God’s sake, it’s not Just Dangerous. All the community midwives and HVs I’ve seen told me they advocate it if that’s what’s working for mum and baby and that they did it with theirs. My hospitals policy was to advise against it so they did.

goldyylockss · 09/03/2018 21:53

Personally I don't think there's much wrong. As been mentioned it's what ever feels comfortable for you. I feel there are a lot of nasty people on this picking on a certain individual for what is purely her advise. It doesn't mean anybody has to take it. Let's work together girls

mumsymumof3 · 09/03/2018 22:00

I weaned 2 of my children at just over 3 months old as me and the midwife thought they were ready. Biscuits are fine

mamaaboo · 09/03/2018 22:02

How horrible are some women @ealj6815 your opinion sounds very good I'm sure she'll appreciate that. @teaandbiscuitsforme yours doesn't sound so nice.

supermum040685 · 09/03/2018 22:07

@teaandbiscuitsforme @crazycatlady5 @ArtOfKnit wow!!😂 don't make me laugh. You sound very stuck up and not very helpful.

Op it sounds just like he's just going through a stage, so whatever feels comfortable with you and I have co-slept with all my children and they've been fine. Good luck with everything. Children are very hard work but worth every second

FATEdestiny · 09/03/2018 22:18

5 first time, new posters. All decided to post specifically in support of a bizzare, out-of-date opinion.

That's... urm... coincidental.

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rubyroot · 09/03/2018 22:21

So how come in Japan where co sleeping is the norm they have lowest rates of SIDS? Hmmmmm
It's about co sleeping safely and telling people not to do it because it is dangerous is ridiculous. It stigmatises something lots of Mums do and they keep quiet about it.

Inform people how to do it safely is the key.

And biscuits in milk to fill baby up? I thought that had been proven to be old wives tale.

rubyroot · 09/03/2018 22:23

Haha fatedestiny- so right, a trained midwife wouldn't spout such nonsense.

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