how can i teach ds2 (3.9)that 5.30 am is still nightime??!?

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he's always been an early riser,ususally abot 6-6.30,which i dont mind,but for the past 2 weeks hes been waking at 5-5.30am.for some reason,he sleeps less when hes been at nursery all day than he does at the weekend when he hasnt been anywhere,so its not caused by lack of physical activity.

i've tried putting him to bed later,but he usually falls asleep on the sofa by 7.15 is he doesnt go to bed at 7,and on the odd accasion when ive managed to keep him up till 8,he's still get up at stupid o'clock the next morning anyway.

i really need him to sleep longer in the mornings,as i have a 17 month old and a 7 week old,and hes waking them up when he gets up,and if the baby's not long gone back down after a feed then i end up getting no sleep atall.

please help me??!

Days are getting longer - we have the same problem - have you tried blackout blinds/linings?

i havent in this house,i did last summer in our old house but it made little difference,it was still 5.30 every morning.

blackout blinds AND curtains, and shut them really carefully at bedtime

my dd has a nightlight on a timer, when it's on, it's night. When it goes off (7 am) it's day. I have to explain this to her again every so often but she accepts it (she's 4).

Have you tried a bunny clock??

Theres another thread similar to this in the AIBU topic.

It has lots of ideas/advice on there too.

I would love to know the answer. My DS is 5 and still gets up at 6am at the latest every day. I thought DD1 (3) was a late sleeper but she's following suit now. I've also got a 5 month old so I know how tiring it is. I have blackout blinds and curtains in their rooms. I have just given up and learnt to accept it now. Sorry if that sound's negative but on the upside as they get older they are capable of getting up and entertaining themselves for a while. DS & DD1 do this.

my ds1 was the same.he still gets up early but as hes now 9 he knows not to wake me.ds1 gets up about 6.30 and if i could manage to get ds2 to sleep till then then i could train him to go downstairs with his brother,who can get him his breakfast and put a dvd on for him.

my dd1 slept through the night from 6 weeks old and she could sleep through an earthquake.why cant they all be like that?

i will go and have a look at the bunny thread.

sorry, but agreewith ju2

ds1 averages 6am but it's often earlier

Could you train him to play quietly in his room till a certain time? Maybe put a sidelight on a timer and say he isn't allowed out of his room till the light comes on?

i have given up all hope of him sleeping longer,anyway,i just really want him to stop waking me up at that time in the morning,and his little sisters as well.

he shares a room with ds1,so it wouldnt be fair on him if he got woken by ds2 really.

i think i will just have to put up with it for a while longer till he's old enough to go downstairs by himself and get his own breakfast etc.