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8 month screaming in night

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Youvegotafriendinme · 22/07/2017 01:24

DS is 8mo and for the last 2 weeks has been waking screaming and nothing will stop him. It started off at 4am and just gets earlier every night. Me and DH are beyond exhausted as he has always been a terrible sleeper. The 4 month regression went on for around a month and then he had a few weeks of one wake up for a fed and straight back to bed which we could deal with.
He is weaning and eats very well and is still having around 22oz of milk. I started to try to wean him off the 4am bottle, but the screaming wouldn't stop and after 4 nights I gave up and said I'd try again later and now we have this constant screaming.
We gave him calpol and ibuprofen around 10:30 this evening as he woke up crying but it's clearly made no difference.
He has his bottom 2 teeth and is teething his top and this has been going on for a while with still no sign of anything. If it was his teeth surely the medicine would have helped?
We are at the end of our tethers and it's getting us both down and I'm in tears nearly every night as I don't know what to do any more. Hes 8 months old, surely he should be sleeping well at this age! Sad

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honeybee1986 · 22/07/2017 08:50

Hi
Sorry to hear you are having a rough time .
My DD did this at around 8 months and we concluded she must of been having bad dreams / night mares as I think they start dreaming now or even a bit before this age . It was a really scared and upset cry . We gave extra cuddles and she slept with me for a little while maybe a week and it passed very quickly . It may or may not be this just thought I would say what happened to us 😘

FATEdestiny · 22/07/2017 11:53

You say he has always been a terrible sleeper, I wonder if this is to do with being unable to get back to sleep when he wakes?

How do you get him to go to sleep at bedtime and naptime?

What is his daytime sleep routine like?

Youvegotafriendinme · 22/07/2017 12:05

some times he self soothes other times he doesn't, it's so sporadic.

Nap time is approx 2 hours after wake up and is any where between 1-2 hours (I don't let him sleep longer than 2 hours) then the next nap is around 3 hours later and is usually 30mins- hour. Doesn't nap past 4 and does well on 2 naps a day. He always goes down for naps really well.

Naps I just pop him in his crib with comforter (which I take away once he has fallen asleep) dummy and mobile on.

Bed- bath, bottle in dark quiet room then straight in to bed and is is asleep in minutes, no problems there.

It's the waking and screaming. I just don't know how to help him any more than what I've done already. Once he went back to sleep this morning he slept in there till 7:30. There must be a reason for a between 1-4am wake up every morning surely!

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tissuesosoft · 22/07/2017 12:07

Night terrors maybe?

FATEdestiny · 22/07/2017 13:03

So he was fine until you started to try and wean off the night feed, had four days of lots if screaming, went back to night feeds but the screaming has continued even with the feed. Is that right?

So the trigger seems to be trying to night wean, is that reasonable to say? What did you do when not giving the feed? Was baby left to cry? Did you do other things to pacify? Was this long ago?

You mention baby always sleeping badly, what do you mean by this? The ways baby goes to slerp sounds really easy.

tissuesosoft · 22/07/2017 22:05

I know this may sound abit rude (not intended that way!), but I hope you didn't give calpol and ibuprofen at the same time?

stackedcups · 22/07/2017 22:15

What's wrong with Calpol and ibuprofen together?

FATEdestiny · 22/07/2017 22:16

Why do you hope that tissuesosoft?

Calpol and ibuprofen are different active ingredients.

tissuesosoft · 22/07/2017 22:19

I was told by various consultants, GP and health visitors not to give them at the same time and the best way to do it is one then two hours later the other then two hours after that the first one etc so doses are 4 hours apart.
www.nhs.uk/chq/Pages/2569.aspx?CategoryID=73

FATEdestiny · 22/07/2017 22:25

The ideal way is Calpol and ibuprofen is staggered, because that offers the greatest coverage for pain killing

That does not mean there is a problem giving then together.

You misunderstood the advice you were given, that's all. There is absolutely nothing wrong with giving Calpol and ibuprofen at the same time, if both are needed.

tissuesosoft · 22/07/2017 22:26

I definitely didn't misunderstand the advice! It was given by different medical professionals. It isn't reccommended to be given together for under 5s

tissuesosoft · 22/07/2017 22:27

Unless under direction of a HCP and if there's a known cause.

tissuesosoft · 22/07/2017 22:28

Apologies, not under 5s, under 16s

FATEdestiny · 22/07/2017 22:50

It's always best not to needlessly medicate or over-medicate. A child may well be fine with just Calpol, for example. Or just ibuprofen. And this will be effective. Just the same that it's not healthy to medicate for "just in case", it's equally completely unnecessary to just give both because, well, just to be sure really.

That in itself does not mean they cannot be both given. My interpretation of:

If you give them one of these medicines and they're still distressed before the next dose is due, you could try the other medicine instead.

(which is more or less mirrored in the wording of NHS and nice)

Is that if a dose of one isn't helping, give the other aswel. There's no suggestion of x amount of time between these.

I do agree though that there is no reason to just give both, for no other reason than you have both so you might as well.

I think the guidelines are there to stop people routinely giving both. Maybe at the peak of an illness they will both be needed at the same time. But the recommendations suggest that you don't do this every time. Next does try just one, child might be fine. See how it goes. If needed give the other.

It would be irresponsible for NICE or NHS to encourage use of both as completely normal. That isn't, it's only for when really ill, not for your average sniffle or cough.

That is a different thing to it being dangerous, as an occassional occurance, given responsibly. Which is not the case. As with all medication, it requires responsible thinking. The NHS is required to advice to the lowest common denominator, so has to account for people who cant/won't think responsibly.

Grayfig · 24/07/2017 04:15

It's not a problem to give both at once if really necessary for pain. FATE is right, it's more that staggered doses offer better coverage.

Grayfig · 24/07/2017 04:15

*or fever

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