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NCSS v CC v PUPD? - Discuss please!

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cathcart · 26/03/2007 07:10

I would like to know what everyone thinks about each of these methods and how you decided what was best for you and your dc. Also, at what age did you begin trying and how long did it take to work - if at all?

I have a 7wk old dd and things are going pretty ok so far - she sleeps in her cot and wakes 2-3 times between the hours of 11pm-ish and 9am-ish. I usually bring her into bed with me when she wakes 6am-ish.
I know it's still early days but I would like to start thinking about how to get her off to a proper bedtime early evening, and being able to pop her down in her cot awake (having to bf or rock to sleep at the moment). Its not something I'm worried about as she is still so young but would like to ensure that as she does get older she is not getting into any bad habits which would make it tougher in the long run.

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cathcart · 26/03/2007 08:01

Any takers? Is it a bit early for this!?

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PavlovtheCat · 26/03/2007 08:07

PU/PD for sure, with my LO at least. Did not try any other one to be honest, PU/PD seemed more gentlye in the long run. Gone from waking hourly for feeds, to
7:30pm - 3:15am
3:30am - 7am.
Or something similar, sometimes wakes at 11:30pm for BF, sometimes not. Sometimes waks up more, and only been doing it for about a month, but so far, it been great

PavlovtheCat · 26/03/2007 08:11

Oh andhow I decided? One night, desperate for sleep, I just put her back down in her cot, as always as she is a cot rail hugger. She would not settle, kept geting up and shaking cot rails so I swaddleed her gently, laid her on her and patted her, and sh'd her, and each time she tried to get up, I put her back. I had vague notions of Baby whispere, but nothing concrete. It worked a treat, she at first yelled, then cooed, then slept.so I then read up on it! I dont follow it rigidly, I adapted it for LO, and took her cues really. She is a very independent girl so it works for her. I can see that it might not work for all babies.

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cathcart · 26/03/2007 08:32

Thanks Pav, sounds like you are doing really well, you must have been exhausted waking hourly! How old is she?

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cathcart · 26/03/2007 08:35

Do you ever, or would you ever, wake her up in the morning so she does not sleep late?

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ENTP · 26/03/2007 08:40

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ProfYaffle · 26/03/2007 08:52

Sorry to be dim but what exactly do both NCSS and PUPD involve?

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cathcart · 26/03/2007 08:58

I'm not 100% Prof, being quite new at this game, I'm hoping that some of our more experienced friends out there can enlighten us a bit! I'd had a think about buyinga book but wanted to see what had worked for others first.

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Taylormamaloveslindtbunnies · 26/03/2007 09:00

pu/pd very over-stimulating for my DS
Found the best thing at this age for my DS was a swaddle and cuddle before being put in his cot - worked a treat
You can start a "routine" at bedtime - like, feed, bath, feed in darkened room, cuddle and bed just to get her used to it but their feeding and sleeping changes all the time so don't get too hung up on routines IMHO

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cathcart · 26/03/2007 09:01

I gather pupd involves picking up dc as soon as they start to cry, soothing and putting back down immediatly. You may eventually have success after doing this once or one hundred times....am I right anyone?

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cathcart · 26/03/2007 09:05

Thanks Taylor, I totally relaxed about the whole routine thing after posting a stressy thread a couple of weeks ago, - still so young! I realise that now (am learning a lot every week, day, hour!) and am just going with the flow a bit more

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tibsy · 26/03/2007 09:33

hi cath , cc, not for me. ncss, very gentle and something that you can adapt for each baby as they're all individuals obviously. what i like about it is that it very much relies on you taking cues from your baby.
i should add, i have a non sleeping 7 month old who is gradually improving. (catch us on 'sleep is fot the weak thread')! enough said!!
we're currently trying something a little like the pu/pd thingy as ncss has a version for older babies.

a top doc whos considered worlds leading authority on sleep, sleep deprivation (thats me that is !!) and sleep disorders reckons that as their biological clocks need to mature before they can keep track of the time of day, its unlikely that we can 'train' babies early on to sleep but, can implement good 'habits' i guess

you sound like you're doing a fab job already, i was a stress head initially even tho dd is my 2nd (after a 12 yr gap tho!) but once i relaxed, i didnt get worked up about it and dd sleeping for longer (sometimes) you'll know which is the right path for you, dd and the family as a whole.

we are co sleeping as well, which is an absolute godsend and i LOVE it

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cathcart · 26/03/2007 10:30

Thanks Tibs, good to see things working for you. My Sis keeps banging on about CC but I'm really not keen. She's driving me up the wall - 'its the ONLY way!'. Would like to hear some more from others though..

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oliveoil · 26/03/2007 10:34

at 7 weeks old I wouldn't do anything along the lines of a routine whatsoever

if they cry, pick them up, cuddle, feed, change or whatever

no way leave to cry, no siree

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cathcart · 26/03/2007 10:36

I mean my SISTER is driving me up the wall, not my dd - she's a perfect little angel!

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kiskidee · 26/03/2007 11:18

put your sister in a darkened room and shut the door at 7pm.

LucyJu · 26/03/2007 11:23

Only got a couple of minutes, so no time to give any deatils, but...

PUPD is not recommended for babies under 6 months, ditto CC (even by "experts" who advocate cc). Try googling "shush/pat" - worked a treat for my dd2 and was a very gentle way to teach her to settle herself. HTH.

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cathcart · 26/03/2007 12:08

thanks for that - checked out shush/pat and was pleased to find that I was already doing it! (perhaps I could write a book)

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MegBusset · 28/03/2007 09:55

Hi Cathcart, I am in a v similar situation to you, DS is 4.5 weeks and I have been fretting about how and when to start trying to get him on some kind of sleep schedule. At the moment he sleeps around the same hours as your DD, with random napping most of the day (either on me, in his sling or in the pram - haven't tried putting in his crib yet, mainly because once he's dozed off somewhere I don't want to risk waking him by moving to crib - he's a light sleeper!).

I am hoping that he will naturally fall into more of a routine, mainly because I like the easy life and don't want bedtimes to become a battle. And I could certainly never do CC. But please feel free to share any progress you make!

deaconblue · 29/03/2007 15:17

It took til ds was about 4 months old before we managed to get a proper evening bedtime as he used to whinge and cry most evenings til his 10ish feed and then was no trouble. So don't worry if it takes a while, he's now 11 months and has had a perfect bedtime routine since 4 months.
Is still crap and wakes once most nights though
We used pupd to help with daytime sleeps and it's magic. He used to be rocked/fed to sleep during the day until 6 weeks ago and is now able to get himself off to sleep. He sleeps for longer naps now too.

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