Please can someone explain the pick up put down technique

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Before I am sent to the loony bin. Ds goes down no problem at bedtime and if he wakes in the night he will cry for about 5 mins and drop off. Daytime sleeps are a nightmare. I want to try this but he shuts up when I pick him up and does his nut the second I put him down. Am I meant to pick up put down like a yoyo? If I do will he eventually shut up and go to sleep?

He's 10 months by the way and it's all my own fault for cuddling him to sleep for months. Just need to get it sorted once and for all so need something I can stick to.

You're supposed to pick up and shush or whatever til they stop crying then place gently (??) back into cot. They then screech their heads off anf you pick them up again... and so on... and so on...
It didn't work for my DS (9 months) but patting and shushing him while he's in his cot did. Hope this helps x

Hello
maybe try this, i used it day and night but only use it night time now. i cuddle DD while giving milk/juice then put her down and sit looking away counting to 60, then i walk out slowly and quite. if she crys i count to 60 then go back in, lay her down saying nothing and not looking in her eyes. count to 60 and walk out . If still crying count to 120, then repeat go in lay down count to 60 walk out, each time add another 60 to the waiting time. DD took a few days to get used to it but by day 4 she would cry once and that was it. the 1st day i tried it though i did have to go in and out about 12 times. i could not stay out for longer than 6mins though.

Hope it works

I agree also with scootergirl - my friend used the gentle patting on the chest and hummed songs lightly, it worked for her

I did the patting etc with all the lights out but didn't wait til he was asleep before I left.
It's all supposedly to do with not changing their conditions of sleep while they're out cold ie: if you're there when they fall asleep, they expect you there when they wake up so get them used to falling asleep on their own.
I've read a LOT of books on sleep DD was rubbish too.
Am very tired...

Have tried shushing and patting before, he kicks my arm, sits up or tries to stand up. Might try the looking away thing and counting. I get so stressed with it, I end up grinding my teeth.
So tempting to just bung him in the car and drive for an hour morning and afternoon, but the whole point of putting him to sleep is so I can do jobs around the house or (I still naively believe this is possible) get the "you" time Baby Whisperer promises.

How long does he sleep during his naps when he's finally off?

I wonder if black out blinds would help too, he's such a dream at bedtime, just drinks his milk, lays down, rolls over and nods off. A friend puts her son in his sleeping bag during the day to make it the same as bedtime. Anyone tried that?

He sleeps anything from 20 mins to 1 1/2 hours. Totally unpredictable.

Why not do everything exactly as at bedtmie and see if that works?

I did the patting and shushing with ds after him only sleeping on my lap till he was 4 months. And I used to go in and out at very small intervals.
You need to wait till they are really tired and ready to sleep, obviously!! Only saying that because every now and again they extend the amount of time they can happily stay awake. What I'm trying to say is maybe he isn't ready to sleep when you are putting him down. How long is he awake for?

Have even considered bathing him in the afternoon to make it exactly the same. that's how desperate I am! Will try tomorrow following the exact routine during the day and will give the counting thing a go for a few days.

My 2 always sleep in the things they sleep in at night. Gro bag etc.

Today princess mel he woke up at 7.45 (unusually late but he was awake for an hour in the night, also unusual) So I assumed he wouldn't want a morning nap and waited til 1pm when he was so tired he could hardly crawl. Still kicked off for 1 hour 20 mins (me shushing, patting, leaving him for 10 mins of screaming, cuddling, more shushing etc etc) until I finally rocked him to sleep and then came here to ask for advice.

One tip my mum gave me about day naps was to keep it the same time every day.
I chose 1pm-3pm when DD was young then when DD needed less daytime sleep changed it to 2pm-3pm.
It worked perfect for DD - she needs routine - she gets so funny if her routine is out for a couple of days.

Good luck for the nxt couple of days, its hard at 1st but u'll find what suits the pair of you soon.
I have decided motherhood is all about trial and error

we did pu pd like a yoyo but only took 2 days of that-about 20 minutes each time then 3 days of shh but i dont pat-just says sssh it ok your only going to sleep,i love you..we do grobag or fleecesuit in day.also story before nap.and theres a radio channel on sky tv we just found called fun radio-its got a nap time bit on it,lovely.so we go along with that.

Story before bed in the day sounds good too. Can't believe I haven't thought of any of this myself. I think you just get so wrapped up in the battle it's hard to see a solution. HAve been meaning to try to cut him down to 3 bottles a day and separate lunch bottle from protein meal for ages. This could be a good new start

Hi, sorry been busy. Only just seen msg.

Maybe he was overtired when he cried for 1hour 20mins. At 10 months my dd could only be awake for 3 hours , 4 max before she was ready for a sleep. She would have been awful if stayed awake from 7.45 till 1pm.

Try putting him down earlier. I do believe they go off much better if they go down when they first show signs of tiredness. Rubbing eyes, yawning , becoming grumpier etc etc.

Agree with doing the same thing EVERY time. I really have only just started to not worry if somethings slightly different now and dd is 18 months! My sis calls me Routine Rita!

Thanks princessmel. Too tired, not tired enough, wish he'd hurry up and learn to talk so I know what he wants

A good tip is putting some quiet music on .My lo always goes off in day when I put this tranquil chill out c.d. on .It's one of those relaxing cd's you can get from hippy shops,and works wonders,because its so calming.I think classical music would work too.Try it,and after a few days,you ds will get used to it ,and will help him relax.Good luck.

Hi
I have taken my BW book back to the Library (it didn't work for us but I know loads of people who swear by it) but I seem to remember something about the PU/PD not working so well/quickly with older babies (over 6 months?). I can't remember what the alternative was (so not much use really am I!) but if you or someone else has a copy perhaps it is worth having another look at that chapter.

As for blackout blinds I bought some black out lining off a roll and wonderwebbed the hems then tacked them into the existing curtains, much cheaper than blinds and was fairly quick to do. Seems to be working as before there was much more fuss about naps (then again it could be the sleep training working!).

Ruth

thanks, we've hooked up a bizarre attempt at black out blinds by putting a red tablecloth over his curtains. Hasn't helped the sleep but his bedroom looks like a brothel

Thanks for all the advice. A little success this morning. Ds had been up 2 1/2 hours and looked really tired. Changed his nappy, put on sleeping bag and gave him a cuddle in his room while playing a lullaby. He cried a little when I put him in his oct but I put my hand on his back and shushed and he fell asleep. Whole process 10 mins. LEts hope this is the start of a new peaceful routine

Wow, thats great. Well done. Do the exact same thong next nap time and you'll crack it!!

You know what I meant about being tired enough but not too tired didn't you? Didn't want to confuse you.

Thanks, I know what yoyu mean but he's a little monkey for yawning and looking dopey and then kicking off. Afternoon nap good too although he did nod off in the car and then I transferred him so cheating really