We are back to square one. Well, it is actually more like square minus 27 tbh

[popsycal]

may i swear
bloody bugger

I feel a bit like that - what's happening with your little cherub?

oh its the bloody pair of them!!!

I am sure many people on here are bored rigid of my sleep threads - though I have been deliberatly silent since the summer.

we had almost cracked the pair of them before the clocks went back
ds1 - who was 4 in august - started school and was going 7 til around 6/6:30. he is a fairly decent sleeper but an extremely early riser.
ds2 - after 18 months of sheer hell, we cracked the night feeding in august and then with a teeny bit of controlled crying, got him to go from 7:30 til about 5:45.
Pure bliss.

then the clocks went back. then ds1 got ill. The ds2 got bronchilitis, then an ear infection and a vomitting bug.
So we are back to pre-5am rising and all night waking and bloody night feeding

why why why why

Oh no popsy, Niaghtmare!!

no advice I'm afraid just sympathy.

tonight is the night with ds2
am totally shattered
need messages of encouragment
he i worse than before

Oh no, what a nightmare Popsy

Good luck with tonight. They have done it before. They can and will do it again.

Oh poor Popsy.

You've done it before - didn't DH help out finally last time? If he can't, then wear plenty of clothes so DS2 can't smell the milk. And stand firm!!! It's rotten, I know. And it's sooooo tempting just to give him a feed when you know it'll get you both back to sleep more quickly. But you know he can get through the night without it, so you can do this. You really really can.

Its a bugger isn't it? My children are the same ages as yours and equally cr*p at sleeping. Once in a blue moon they both sleep through the night, and I just feel so fantastic the next day! I can't believe that I used, 4.5 years ago, to feel like that every day, and never notice.

thanks gierls
ds1 has actually ben a bit bettr the last two nights
6:50 waking on thurs morning whcih may be his laresr ever waking EVER and 6:15 this morning
am blackmailing him

ds2 wirse than ever
dreading tonght

and i still have your book on my kitchen table as usual

Don't worry. In 2 weeks we shall be in new house and she'll have her own room! Sleep training with military precision will start in earnest - am fed-up of breast feeding now.

But, you know your youngest can do it, so, he'll do it again.

and yours wil too#

i am sio tired today
am wondering whether tonight i a good night o start
but i know that i cn nnot vear anither night with him in bed, pullng at my top having a bloody open buffet