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My 6 month old won't sleep

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Beckysk · 11/03/2015 22:23

For an example I shall write out day:
Up 6am, 10 minute nap at 9am, nap again at 12 until 1 (in pushchair so always sleeps better) and then didn't sleep until 6, did bedtime routine and put her down only to be up half an hour later!!! Then down again at 8.30pm! And will wake probably 4-5 times until 6am. She has to nurse to sleep, which is why she wakes still at night I think, but is this also why she doesn't seem to stay asleep for naps in the day also? Help! Does anyone have a typical sleep guide for their 6 month old? I'm exhausted. Though I've resorted to co-sleeping so my DD can just help herself at nighttime lol

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Beckysk · 11/03/2015 22:30

Btw between 1and 6 I tried to get her to sleep twice, but she just wouldn't settle

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FATEdestiny · 11/03/2015 22:37

Your DD is over-tired. Good sleep promotes better sleep and unfortunately for you, poor sleep results in even worse sleep. So because she is so exhausted and over-tired, it is perpetuating her poor sleep.

Babies (and toddlers) cannot self-sooth in the way an adult can (tired, lie down, close eyes, sleep) until school age. Until then they will need something to assist them sleeping.

You have developed feeding as that sleep prop and as you have found, feeding to sleep is not a brilliant long term plan. So you need to teach your daughter other ways to get to sleep. Other sleep props include:

  • Dummy
  • Thumb/fingers sucked
  • Muslin sucking
  • Special toy
  • Special "blankie"
  • Patting
  • Tickling
  • Rhythmic movement (bouncing, rocking etc)

In your position I would go whole-hog with all possible sleep props and then gradually reduce to one or two when baby is sleeping better.

Dummy Babies are naturally routine creatures. Your son will naturally develop his own routine.

The problem when you don't have a routine is you tend to swing from one extreme to the other, exhaustion and over tired, rather than striking the happy middle.

Once in a routine you don't need to wait for tired signs, you know baby will be tired at a set time so you put them to sleep. If you wait for exhaustion to strike (like falling asleep in middle of a bottle) then baby has been tired for a good 60 minute previously so you could have put him to sleep an hour earlier than you did.

Dummy & bouncy chair is my favoured no cry sleep solution. Add a muslin or toy squashed against face, maybe some patting and shushing. Then just bounce, bounce, bounce that baby rhythmically into sleep oblivion.

Typical routine. My DD is 5 1/2 months and she sleeps for 2-3 hours at 9am, 2 hours at 1pm, sometimes has 45 minutes at 5.30pm (sometimes not). Bedtime is 7.30pm, feed 11pm, up 7.30am.

FATEdestiny · 11/03/2015 22:40

Sorry - cut and paste failure there. The three paragraphs about routine are from another post. Sorry! Blush Should read:

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In your position I would go whole-hog with all possible sleep props and then gradually reduce to one or two when baby is sleeping better.

Dummy & bouncy chair is my favoured no cry sleep solution. Add a muslin or toy squashed against face, maybe some patting and shushing. Then just bounce, bounce, bounce that baby rhythmically into sleep oblivion.

Typical routine. My DD is 5 1/2 months and she sleeps for 2-3 hours at 9am, 2 hours at 1pm, sometimes has 45 minutes at 5.30pm (sometimes not). Bedtime is 7.30pm, feed 11pm, up 7.30am.

Beckysk · 11/03/2015 23:47

I've been trying a dummy since 2 weeks and she hasn't got used to it, also tried rocking, not keen also, nor her swing or bouncy chair. I do really try routine, I always try to put her to sleep every 2 hours I go up and we do a little lullaby then I feed her, but the monster sometimes refuses to sleep or only sleeps half an hour. My HV said babies her age generally do cat nap?! Was she lying ?! Lol! We also always get up at 6 and start bedtime, the same routine at 6pm
Every night. I'm doing the same thing for 2 months, she just isn't following it lol!! Your baby's having ALOT of sleep, that of a newborn? I don't see my DD following suit lol

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Beckysk · 11/03/2015 23:49

Also with my first I bottle fed her, and she slept through the night. I've found breastfeeding my little one, she's so much more unsettled than my first, and a ridiculously light and bad sleeper

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SleepyAlpaca · 12/03/2015 11:22

have you tried different shaped dummies? we tried 4 different types before DS would take one.
fate- how do you extend a too short nap? DS naps for 20 mins ay most, then wakes still tired but very difficult to get back to sleep. have to shush pat to sleep in first place.

Beckysk · 12/03/2015 21:00

I have bought every single dummy since she was 2 weeks old lol nuby, heeva, all tommee tippee and mam ones, tesco own, cherry, orthodontic, silicone and latex teat, I gave up haha! I've try but fail to put her back to sleep with a loud 4 year old running about ??

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milkjetmum · 12/03/2015 21:09

Don't be afraid to try unusual things, all babies are different. Eg my dd2 nods off to loud music (discovered by accident watching Metallica on Glastonbury highlights). She also just wanted to be in her bed (I think I was effectively keeping her awake with rocking and feeding).

Have you got a sling? Mei tais are comfy for big babies (dd2 is 13 months and still ok in one, it's good for helping her relax). If the pram works maybe try a quick walk about 9 am and 4pm? I used to do 3 loops of my street(10-15 mins), and if dd2 wasn't nodding off by then I knew she wouldn't.

Good luck, it is hard having a non sleeper!

Beckysk · 12/03/2015 22:15

Love that she fell asleep to Mettallica that's amazing. She naps well in the pushchair. That may be an idea thank you! How much sleep roughly should she be having?

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FlossieTreadlight · 12/03/2015 22:33

Just a thought, can you make bedtime a bit earlier, so you're putting her in bed at 6? realise this Might not be poss with other children. DC1 here went through a phase of needing to go to bed super early at about 6ish months and if I didn't get her down by 6 I was in for it that night... Lasted about 1.5 months.

milkjetmum · 12/03/2015 22:47

I would say make opportunity for 3 naps a day, 9ish, 1ish, 4ish. Even if she doesnt sleep have some chill out time (eg put in sling and potter around house or go for pram walk). I think at that age dd2 typically had 2 or 3 naps (either 3 x 30-40min or one long and one short). Now spring is coming going for a stroll should be more pleasant, and I used to head for bumpy paved streets to maximize sleep chances!

If you are really sleep deprived an early evening nap can really help with the broken night. If I slept 8-10pm while dh was on duty with kids that gave me enough umph to get through the night...

I did have to do proper sleep training with both dds (controlled crying) but I did this at about 10/11 months when weaning was really going well and I was really sure they could go through night without bf. That does work but is not an easy thing to do understatement

munchkinmaster · 12/03/2015 22:58

I would stop feeding to sleep. Everyone goes through a light bit of sleep and when your baby does she needs the boob to get back to sleep. I'd do routine then cot and pat and stoke till asleep. It will not be nice but won't be awful. Do the same after a short nap.

I usually get 1 short (45 mins)and 1 long (90-120 mins) nap a day but I can pat baby back over and get an extra hour if she wakes before 1 hour.

Churchillian · 12/03/2015 23:18

I wouldn't stress about it - both of mine were/are catnappers at this age. Feeding to sleep is fine too as it works really well. Some babies will not take a dummy - neither of mine would.. I'd feed to sleep lying down if your baby seems tired or go for a walk if you can. Most babies don't sleep through at 6 months and if you can get yours back to sleep easily by feeding I'd carry on with that. If you co-sleep both of you will drift back off really quickly.

LovedayCareyLewis · 13/03/2015 00:10

Try NUK genius dummies. They worked for us when DS was refusing all others...

Beckysk · 13/03/2015 09:04

I'm a single mum so can't have a break or naps, but sleep deprivation isn't my issue really as I co-sleep. I just don't want to co-sleep much longer, and desperate for her to follow routine. Feeding to sleep is bad, but I'm hoping she'll grow out of it when she's ready, as she won't take to anything else. Will try pushchair for naps and see how it goes xx

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Heatherbell1978 · 13/03/2015 11:38

DS1 is almost 7 mths and since he was 6 weeks he's onky ever napped for 30 mins at a time during the day. Occasionally he'll surprise me with a 45 or 60 min nap but it's rare.

He goes down for a nap roughly every 2 hrs which means we get 4 on a normal day. He's now sleeping 11 hrs through the night. I agree with pp, your baby is over tired and you need to do whatever you can to get naps every 2 hrs during the day. Don't worry if they're only 30 mins.

Beckysk · 13/03/2015 16:40

Today has been better as she's been able to nap in the pushchair if I put a muslin sheet over.. Will update you on tonight! She's slept from 30-60 minutes! Maybe it was just my other little one waking her up too early ????

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Beckysk · 13/03/2015 20:44

A day of sleeping n proper naps has resulted in her being up every 20 minutes ... More than usual ??

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omama · 13/03/2015 21:16

Coincidence - easier said than done but try not to feel defeated by that. Its great that she napped better. Tomorrow is a new day!

Beckysk · 17/03/2015 20:27

She is no better, if not worse STILL!! What is wrong with my child lol

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beckworth · 17/03/2015 20:44

In my inexpert opinion your problem is the feeding to sleep. I lost the plot with similar bad sleeping at 6 months a week or so ago and we went cold turkey on the dummy (at least you don't have that problem!) and stopped feeding right before naps / bed. 3 or 4 wake ups (on a good night) dropped instantly to one and a dream feed. It wasn't fun but as long as you keep feeding to sleep baby will keep needing that to get through sleep transitions (in our case main issue was dummy - he would cry until I got up and found it for him).

Beckysk · 19/03/2015 12:48

Did your little one have like 'tantrums'? She goes mental if I don't feed her to sleep. Took it up with HV yesterday, for advice to stop and just got told 'most mums would be jealous that I can settle my baby like this, and she obviously isn't ready to stop feeding to sleep'. Abs useless. But what your saying does sound about right, got any tips to stop her going mental when I don't offer it?

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beckworth · 19/03/2015 17:14

He did get pretty upset, and it was really really tough if I'm honest. Never let him get too upset without going in and comforting, although I was pretty useless as comfort because I couldn't give him what he wanted, which was the dummy. I think it took 40 mins the first night, but the results were pretty instant. I do struggle more with the middle of the night feeds because there is always that doubt that he could be hungry. With feeding to sleep, could you maybe try the gentler method in the no cry sleep solution book? Ie. Take baby off just before they fall asleep, and put in cot practically asleep, then slightly more awake over time?

PrimroseEverdeen · 19/03/2015 17:16

She should be having around 3 hours of sleep in the day at that age. It sounds like she is overtired. Can you take her for a long walk and get her to sleep that way? Bounce to sleep on a yoga ball? Take her out in the car?

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