What is a 'normal' sleep routine for a 5yo?

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My dd1 is 5.8yo. She has always been what we consider an early riser: has always woken some time between 5-6am.

She usually goes to bed between 7-8pm but has keeps waking at 5am, and around 4am to wee.

She's in Y1, so school is becoming increasingly demanding. Her early waking ia making her grumpy and I think its affecting her concentration at school.

She is an absolute ball of energy and bright as a button. Fidgets, is loud a lot and rarely sits still!

We've tried a later bedtime (8pm) but she still wakes early.
If anyone has any suggestions about how we could get her to sleep until at least 6am, I'd be delighted to read! I can't take much more of the grumps

What's her room like? Is the boiler or water tank in her room.or do pipes run.under the floor that creak? Is she next door to the neighbours room.and they leave early for work?

What I mean is could something be waking her up?

Does the room get cold or too light? Have you tried black out blinds

Her room is very quiet; pretty in pink and dimly lit at night. It's a small room but I don't think that would be an issue. She shares with our 2yo, but dd2 is a sound sleeper (typically 7:30pm-6:30/7am)

She insists on taking armfuls of toys to bed. I might move those?

Black out blinds are in the room.

The room is usually warm, though I will pay closer attention to this. She is usually hot when I check on her due to the toys, so I have to peel off the duvet and cover her with a lighter blanket around 9pm.

Unless she's waking to find lost teddies I'd not consider them a problem.

Is she restless at weekends? Would she perhaps benefit from extra activities. Fresh air and exercise sometines help. Swimming? Gym? Or maybe even yoga if she has trouble switching off and remaining asleep.

Is she waking hungry? Would a cup of warm mill and a couple of crackers or snack of some kind help

No suggestions, dc3 (6.9) is an early riser, she is often awake at 6, last sunday it was 5:20

In our house we have always had the 7am is morning time rule, and I used to put them back into cot with a toy etc until 7. dc1 and 2 sleep til 7, or later, but dc3 wakes earlier. She has learnt to stay in her room and play quietly, or read, until everyone else is awake, so to be honest some days she may have been up for hours (and the bags under her eyes would suggest that is likely)

I haven't been able to get her to sleep longer. She tends to go for a wee first, so it might be that waking her.

I have now pulled her bedtime earlier, as she was so tired. I find that if she goes later to bed, she wakes up earlier and more tired. Pulling her bedtime earlier means she is better rested. She doesn't wake us up (but when she was 5 she always came in for a little cuddle before going back to play) and she is bright and awake in the mornings, so we do school reading and spelling then now, rather than before bed.

Here room is dark with blackout linings, but the light does come in once the sun is up, I am waiting to see if she will sleep later as the mornings get darker

DS was (is) the same. We tried everything. When school got too demanding he did start going to bed a bit earlier though.

Does she get up when she wakes? One thing we did start at this sort of age was that DS couldn't get up until 6.30, which sometimes meant he did doze off back to sleep.

It sounds like it is her bladder waking her and she can't get back to sleep (I find it hard to go back to sleep if I wake around 5am). Failing anything else, you could take her for a late night wee when you go to bed? I know you probably wouldn't want to start down that road but it might be worth a try if she gets more sleep that way?

Hmm. Or is she waking up because around 5am she is cooling down again if she has a lighter blanket on? Maybe try a very light duvet and moving some of the toys to stop her from heating up (my DS (6) does the same thing)?

just seen your last post.

I think she may be cold at 4 am.

ds did this for a while, took me ages to clock it. The house got very cold in the early morning and he woke because he was cold. We added an extra blanket when we went to bed and then he immediately slept through.

I know she is hot at 9pm, but how cold is her room at 4 am? Could you removed some toys, give the duvet a flap to cool off the hot fug she has built up and then tuck it back in? Or leave it turned back for a while and then tuck her back in when you go to bed?

Is she drinking too much before bedtime so she's needing a wee?

Thanks a for your most thoightdul replies All very much appreciated.

Dds went up to bed at 7:45pm.I'm going to check on Dd1 now and peel back the duvet in case she is too hot. We will probably turn in by 11pm, so I'll cover her over once again then with the duvet.

Fingers crossed that this works. If not, there's plenty of advice here to work through. Thanks again for all of your suggestions.