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Please help...trying to work out what next move is, feel helpless with 9 month old DS sleeplessness!

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welshbetty77 · 02/06/2014 07:18

Hello...first post on here but not sure where else to turn to. Ds who is 9 months old has never been a great sleeper...he's NEVER slept through the night (yawn!) however recently, this last week things have taken a turn for the (even) worse and I'm finding things impossible. Firstly, he has a really bad cough and cold at the moment which I know is adding to difficulties but still, I'll explain.
'Routine' is something like this, tea at 5.30 (before he was poorly he was eating really well), a little play, in the night garden at 6.20 ( just on in background whilst he plays with his dad on his mat...I thought perhaps music etc may start to become familiar with bedtime) bath at 6.50 for approx ten minutes, pyjamas then book in room and breastfeed to sleep (I know, I know!). Firstly he starts to 'kick off' being dried and laid on change mat for nappy and pyjamas, we just sort of work through this with songs/chatting/ musical mobile etc, whatever it takes to get through. Usually I'd be able to feed him to sleep put him in cot, there may be a few wake ups which my partner could settle him for, then I'd feed him when he woke through the night, up to four times. I know this sounds bad but I wasn't entirely unhappy with this, he would feed for a relatively short time and I'd be able to put him back into cot asleep. He'd wake at about 5/5.30 at which point I'd bring him into bed with us and he'd feed on and off until we got up...sometimes we'd lie in til 8.30/9 depending on how tired I was!
But recently things have taken a whole new turn for the worst..his bedtime is a lot more difficult, feeding to sleep doesn't work as quickly anymore, I usually try to pull him off the breast at which point he wakes a little and I pop him in cot to shush pat him to sleep, sometimes this works, but now more often than not he pushes himself up and sits up crying, won't be placed back to lying down again and crying escalates until I pick him up and start feeding/rocking/walking/pacing again. Sometimes I'm in there an hour before he's down, at which point he'll usually wake again after 60/90 minutes again and need resettling. My partner goes in, usually tries to settle in cot (difficult as he's screaming, rolling around and sitting up etc) then more often than not I have to take over and end up feeding again. Each time this happens the more difficult he is to get back in cot, to the point that he's been in bed with me these last few nights and pretty much feeding nonstop, just so that I can get some zzzz's. Co sleeping with us both is now impossible, he is big and likes to be ON me which usually results in me balancing on about a millimetre of bed space and not actually sleeping at all, at least with dp not in bed I can move ds across bed frequently, until he decides to snake over again :).
The thing is, I love the cuddles but it's getting to the point where I know it's not good for either of us anymore, this complete lack of consistent sleep, and to be honest the whole thing is feeling wild and out of control now...I don't know where to start to fix it. Dp thinks we should sometimes let him cry more before we go in to settle (but knows nothing about the technicalities of any 'sleep training' -cc methods of which I'm totally not into anyway) Oh and I should mention, he's not easily 'cuddled' either, arches away, kicks legs out pushes away, all resulting in waking himself up further!i ACTUALLY don't know what to do other than keep bringing him into bed with me every night, which I don't what to do for the foreseeable as it's not fair on dp having the sofa bed every night! Ds is still poorly at the moment but I just know is getting into a bad habit and when he's better will want to keep on sharing my bed! HELP.....where on earth do I bloody start?! :(

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sososotired · 06/06/2014 19:12

I tried feeding but I think he is getting up earlier because he's not waking as much at night?

sososotired · 06/06/2014 19:12

How's every one getting on?

riskit4abiskit · 06/06/2014 19:17

Five minutes into being put down and mine has stood up despite being in a bag and is grinning at me as I type. Obviously the white noise must be losing it's touch.

How are you doing?

sososotired · 06/06/2014 20:00

He went down like a dream, hour and a half down the line and he is crying in his sleep!! It's a little upsetting for me I don't know if I should be waking him or leaving him to cry?

rootypig · 06/06/2014 20:47

soso you can try comforting him in his sleep with pats and murmurs.

Re early waking, I think he's waking naturally because of his sleep cycle (three hours after the previous waking) but not tired enough to resettle properly.

riskit4abiskit · 06/06/2014 20:58

Aww crying in his sleep, bless him! I have never heard of that. Can you gently stroke him quiet?

mine eventually settled after 45mins not as much crying tonight. Tried to wake after 45mins but I white noised him back to sleep

rootypig · 06/06/2014 21:10

ps DD (19mo) cries in her sleep when she's overtired, she wakes when overtired too. Now she is a steady sleeper, it's easier to spot the aberrations!

avocadoadvantage · 06/06/2014 23:17

riskit My baby has recently been waking up 'angry' rather than just snuffling about for a feed when she's in bed with me.

Last night we tried what the HV advised and described as the broken record technique. Well, I don't know if we were doing it wrong or what but as we sat on the landing listening to our darling baby cry, I realised it was CIO under a different name and I wanted no part of that. I marched in and scooped her up for a big cuddle at which point she relaxed and lay down to sleep. Down at 8, woke at 12 and 3 then up at 7:30. Happy with that.

Also, I feel like a total bitch as today she revealed a new tooth at the top. No wonder her sleep has been upset. Sad Have decided to take the pressure off her. More milk in the day seems to be helping too.

avocadoadvantage · 06/06/2014 23:24

Interesting what you say about naps sososotired. My lo has her longest nap of the day in the pram in the living room. She settles herself to sleep. She also naps on long car journeys, out in pram and in the sling. The HV said that's all cool- as she put it 'you could try to make her nap in her cot for 2 hours a day but who wants to be stuck indoors for the next 3 years!'. Quite!

sososotired · 06/06/2014 23:58

I just had a 2 hour battle with a baby crying/screaming his head off we ended up watching peppa pig just to distract him! I'm hoping its teeth but something is definitely wrong!

Rootypig he may be over tired too I was at work today and he stayed with DH who tried to stick to the routine but DS did just as he pleased so only napped in the morning when I came home at 4 he was so excited no way I could get him to sleep!!

Well done Avocado progress again! I agree with you about CIO I don't want any of that I always go in when DS cries and he is perfectly capable of self settling!

sososotired · 07/06/2014 00:02

Riskit I ended up with him lying on my chest in bed so I just felt if he moans in right there so he's not lonely or scared :) did also give him a nice dose of paracetamol incase it's teeth! And fingers crossed he's been asleep for 30 mins or so with no moaning!!

sososotired · 07/06/2014 07:15

What a night!! He woke very upset at 2 & 4 took an hour and a half to settle him again at 4 with a bottle etc and he woke up again at 6:15 :( I feel like I've had a night on the town :(!

How was everyone else's night?

catyloopylou · 07/06/2014 10:59

Really glad I've seen this thread. DS2 is just 9 months and I'm struggling with early wake ups, from 5am. Anything after 6am feels like a lie in.

He usually goes down ok between 7.30 and 8pm (I'm working on getting this earlier but struggle with DS1 3 years to see to as well when DH is late home) after bath, breastfeed and cuddles. He usually feeds to sleep despite my best efforts to keep him awake long enough for a good feed. The last week he's been waking at 9.30pm, grouching then crying and only once have I been able to resettle him without feeding.

I was hoping to cut out his 10.30pm dreamfeed but I don't want to do that while he's waking so soon after putting down. He is in our room and probably will be for another few months till we can move him into his own room.

When he wakes at 5ish he quickly gets upset if I don't pick him up immediately and I don't want him crying too long incase it wakes DS1. I then take him into bed for a feed and occasionally we doze for a bit, then up at 7 for the day.

During the day he has 2 naps, one around 9.30 or 10am, then another at 3pm. Depending on what we're doing and playgroup pickups etc one nap will be 1.5 hours and the other around 45 minutes. He doesn't like napping in his cot but will in the car or buggy if out. Of course, that is if DS1 doesn't wake him up to play!

does anyone have any suggestions for trying to encourage him to wake up later in the morning? I'm feeling so tired at the moment I end up being a real grump which isn't fair for DS1, who was the most amazing sleeper from really young so never had to do anything.

sososotired · 07/06/2014 13:47

Catyloop as you can see from my posts I have an early riser, and he is ready for the day when he wakes at 5 non of this I will feed and go back to sleep or go in my bed nonsense :) I've been thinking that maybe it's the fact that it gets light so early so will be blocking out all light with foil for a few days as a test!! This morning doesn't count due to our horrific night last! But I will post my findings :)

catyloopylou · 07/06/2014 19:01

sososo I'll be watching with interest!

riskit4abiskit · 07/06/2014 23:13

Avacado I agree with you about not letting them cry. My mum keeps telling me 'its the only way' but as soon as babybiskit even squeaks in the day she says 'oh he wants his mummy!' And hands him over for a cuddle!

Yesterday we put a blanket over top of curtains to try and block more light out. Dont know if its having any effect

avocadoadvantage · 07/06/2014 23:27

Another decent night. We decided to look for her sleep cues more rather than trying to force a 7pm bedtime as noticed she often goes off at 8 whenever we begin.

Last night relaxed bath, boob and story routine then a lovely cuddle and into the cot where she snuggled down and went to sleep at 9pm. Woke at 12 and 3 for feeds. Came into bed at 3am and woke at 7 but smiled at me and went back to sleep until 7:45am. Lovely lie in! Hehe

She went down brilliantly at 8ish tonight and is still asleep.. Fingers crossed :-)

How are you all getting on?

sososotired · 08/06/2014 05:55

Well done avocado I like following sleep cues :) and the sound of a relaxing bath my DS loves his bath but I don't think it's relaxing he splashes and turns stands up giggles :)

We've done brilliantly last night :) went to bed at 7 woke at 2:30 for a feed and up for the day at 5:30 so no nice lay ins for me but atleast he started sleeping nice long stretches!!
So far blacking out his room has no effect :)

avocadoadvantage · 08/06/2014 08:25

Sounds good Soso. I'm not sure about solving early waking. We've not yet added that to our list of sleep woes. Wink

Bed at 8.30 as short nap in car until 6. Woke at 12 and 3 to feed and up at 7:40.

If this continues I might try knocking the 12 feed on the head and see if we can just have the 3am wake. Also I guess I'll need to be stricter about going back in her cot at 3am but it's just sooo much easier to take her to bed to feed! (Lazy mama alert!)

welshbetty77 · 08/06/2014 20:25

Hi ladies! Wow, looks like we really are all getting somewhere hey? My little bubs went down awake tonight without crying at all, for the first time!?! He tried to get up in his cot and rolled around for a bit but definitely went to sleep quicker and NO CRYYYINNNNG! Wahoo! I'm still feeding once a night, usually around 3am, then wake up is usually around 5am, at which point my will and resolve is as tired as I am, and I bring him into bed with me for (delicious!) cuddles and we usually go back to sleep til 7/7.30ish! I'm definitely tweaking and playing with bedtimes....optimum time at the mo seems to be between 6.50-7.10pm. I think day naps are getting slightly better too, but honestly think he doesn't need any longer than 40 mins-1 hour in the afternoon as well as the morning, anyone else like this?

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sososotired · 08/06/2014 20:30

avocado good luck for dropping that feed, we were met with a lot of resistance but only lasted a few night :)
With regards to putting your LO in bed with you I found that if it's every now and then he doesn't fuss the next night if he has to stay in his room I just needed to break the habit first!

Tonight was hard for us! DS was unhappy all day I think he is teething! So when it came to bed time he was screaming and arching his back... I ended up lying in his bed till he fell asleep!! I'm hoping for a good night though!!

Good luck to everyone!

welshbetty77 · 08/06/2014 21:10

Ooh, also ladies, interested to know from those of you who've dropped the night feeds but still breastfeed in morning and night...did you find it has affected your supply at all? Am keen to keep feeding him myself in morning and night for as long as possible so unsure wether I'm better off keeping my one feed during the night to do this...? TIA

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Smartiepants79 · 08/06/2014 22:11

I dropped to mornings and evenings only and then just bedtimes at the end.
My supply did not seem to be affected at all. My DDs never seemed to feel that there wasn't enough. At some point they are no longer really feeding for food just comfort and habit.

welshbetty77 · 08/06/2014 22:20

Thanks smartie that's good to know, I'm sure the comfort and habit is more me than him to be honest! Wink

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sososotired · 09/06/2014 07:06

How did every one get on last night?

We had a ok night 7-2:30 bottle refused to settle so he came to bed with me popped him on his bed at 4 fast asleep and woke at 5:30 :)