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Fucking GP can fuck right off-condescending cow.

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Inapickle123 · 28/03/2014 16:29

Just so upset.

I've posted before about DS who was born 10 weeks ago. From the get-go he was a crap feeder and sleeper and would wake himself up screaming in pain. You can physically see the spasms when his tummy is exposed. He screams as be can't get the farts out and it takes up to an hour for each and poos are his Everest.

After much discussion with the HV, she thought he had reflux (was vomiting a lot too) so we switched formulas to aptamil anti-reflux and used dr brown bottles.

Vomiting stopped but STILL in ago y after EVERY feed. It's obviously worse at night (peaks at 2am) as he's lying down and everything is slower at not, but he screams during the day too-until he farts.

After posting here, someone suggested that he may have a cows milk protein allergy. At this stage, I'll consider anything so off I went to the GP.

Talk about your all time horrific experiences.

Full disclosure:I have severe PND and have been under the care of the mental health team since he was 2 weeks old. I've never had mental health problems before and-without wanting to offend-I'm not the "type". I'm incredibly rational, organised and usual have my shit together so it came as a surprise to me. I know it can affect anyone (case and point) but I really didn't expect it.

My notes at the GP refer to the CPN involvement so, as I was explaining DS's symptoms, all she did was look at my notes. When I asked for a hypoallergenic formula to try (anything at this stage is worth a shot-we've tried everything else-new formula, exercises, sleeping propped up, smaller feeds, larger feeds, new bottles, new teats...) she told me it was "just colic" and that I'm just looking for it to be something when it's nothing (but phrased a little more tactfully) before printing off Wikipedia's entry on colic for me to take home to read.

She then agreed to try the formula for two weeks as it "would give me reassurance" but then-get this-said she didn't know which one to prescribe and I needed to come back on Tuesday so she could consult the HV.

I'm tired of being told I just have a "difficult" baby.

I'm tired if being dismissed as An over the top first time mum

I'm so upset that my diagnosis of PND means that my boy's pain is just seen as a manifestation of my apparent unhappiness and inability to cope.

I'm sorry they can't see him as he writhes in agony pretty much all night.

Most of all, I'm sick of just being treated like something g you find on the bottom of your shoe. Prior to the baby, I'd seen a dr precisely 6 times in the last 5 years.

I'm not a hypochondriac. I am not looking for answers for my "colicky" baby. I am looking for support in an extremely trying time. Is it wrong to want to exhaust all options? Surely this is better than pumping him full of drugs?

You may be a dr but I have a phd too (albeit in a completely pointless field) I'm not a hysterical mum getting off on the "drama" of having a sickly baby-I want to do everything
I can to make him happy and comfortable.

Do I try and distract him when he has an episode? No, I leave my 10 week old to cry it out. Don't suppose you want to come round tonight and hold the dummy in his mouth between 2-7 while the poor soul bites down, writhes, screams and clenches and spasms?

Oh, your kids all had colic, so you know what it is? Cracking. Excuse me while I go any get my second opinion, condescending cow.

Sorry to rant but I am so angry. Had I gone in asking for drugs for my anxiety or to help me sleep, they would have thrown them at me, but ask for help in settling a truly miserable baby? Apparently I can go and fuck right off.

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Piscivorous · 31/03/2014 13:48

I'm sorry but I don't think A&E is the right place to get help.

First of all stop the Infacol it can sometimes make things worse for reflux. Do NOT try soya milks as some have advised, they are unsuitable under 6 months old. Have you tried different formulas other than the anti-reflux? You could try Colief in case there might be a lactose intolerance

In a lot of areas (mine included) GPs are not allowed to start treatment with these milks, they have to refer you to a paediatrician or paediatric dietician as there is a lot of specialist knowledge required. It is quite reasonable for a GP to want to get advice on which milk to use as there is a lot of different ones available, huge variations in cost and effectiveness and an importance to get it right.

ArtFine · 31/03/2014 14:04

I was in a similar situation to you. Everyone fobbed me off.

The A&E trip meant that I got a rapid referal to a Peadeatrician. That's what you need to go for. The best time apparently is 7am in the morning.

ArtFine · 31/03/2014 14:06

If you are in London, I'd be happy to give you Aptamil Pepti to try out.

SilverStars · 31/03/2014 17:43

Our little boy was so poorly with his reaction to cows milk the gp sent us to A And E as the gp wanted to get a paed dr to see him ASAP. It varies on how I'll they are I think. However I agree most areas want a paed to diagnose and prescribe rather than a gp so hope you can push for a paed referral. You can go privately for a paed. Now I realise actual costs I would have paid the £175 to avoid a 17 week wait here!!

josephine1986 · 31/03/2014 19:17

Agree here, A&E looks your only option as you are being ignored by gps and HVs
Your ds sounds a little like my dd, she has allergies to milk, eggs and fish. I suggested the milk issue to GP at 6 week check and was told to stop breastfeeding, saw another GP and referred for an allergist - in 3 months time ffs
It's easier sometimes just to bypass these useless generalised doctors and be fast tracked to the specialist. At least with a & e they have to give you something before you leave and can't just fob you off
Really hope you get some help and your poor ds feels better

Germanwife · 31/03/2014 19:33

Just sending support, op! We had similar problems with DS. He didn't sleep, or would only sleep upright being held, from 1am onwards - because of straining, gas and bowel movements. Tried everything, colief, infacol etc, I was dairy/soy/gluten/caffeine free for weeks etc (he's ebf). nothing helped but the situation seemed to improve in its own, gradually from 10 weeks onwards. We didn't do anything different, it just sort of went.

I hope you see some improvement soon!

Weescottie · 31/03/2014 21:46

Just wanted to sympathise with you. My baby (now 14 weeks) was exactly the same. I was at the end of my tether and didn't have PND to contend with and had a supportive HV. I was breast feeding and found going dairy free helped a little. Also, I found that my DS is really sensitive to any medicines. I tried infacol, colief, gripe water etc but actually found that after a few days these made him worse. I've no idea why, think they maybe constipated him slightly, which made gas worse. Though his poos still seemed ok. Now I only give occasionally he still has bad times but it is not as constant as when he was younger. Could be he's finally got a more developed gut. I've also tried cranial osteopathy. Not sure how much help it is but she was the first person who understood my baby. My doc kept going on about how she sleep trained her baby and how I shouldn't co sleep/ rock the baby/use a dummy. She just had no understanding the desperation that means you will do anything to get your baby to settle and sleep. I hope your doc listens to you soon. You are doing brilliantly and doing everything for your baby. It WILL get better. Xx

ShutTheFuckUpBarbara · 31/03/2014 22:08

You mention in your OP that your DS struggles with getting wind out. We took DD to see an osteopath for a similar problem when she was a few weeks old and shewas better after just 2 sessions.

It might be worth a try! He was very gentle too, DD slept through the sessions!

Good luck OP, your DS is lucky to have you fighting his corner!

LittleBearPad · 31/03/2014 22:22

It sounds rubbish. Big hug.

Dd had crappy trapped wind / reflux but Gaviscon seemed to sort it out. I don't think she was that bad compared to what I've heard about reflux and it was still shitty.

Take him to a&e if only to get another viewpoint and hopefully a paed referral.

Tell DH he's sitting up with him one night too. You need some sleep.

Inapickle123 · 01/04/2014 15:43

Thanks again for the handholding-it's been a tough weekend.

Finally got the mental health baby nurse (who is lovely) to see DS in action (I got him down for a nap after an hour of wailing) and she instantly said "reflux". When he was up, she said that it's not normal for a baby to be so uncomfortable sitting or on their back(DS only tolerates being held upright) and we've now got an action plan:

  1. no more infacol. Too acidic.
  2. lactulose to clear out his system once a day for the next three days. In effect, we're rebooting him.
  3. stick with anti-reflux milk for the next three days.
  4. see NEW GP tomorrow. Three days is apparently long enough to reset DS's system. Ask for reflux meds and a milk recommendation (Hipp organic is apparently good) on the condition that, if after three days he's ok, they won't be needed.
  5. move DS to his own room and cotbed for daytime naps, with a view to him being there for all sleeps by 12 weeks.

Point 5 is quite a big one. Apparently, his clinginess (he will not let me out of his sight) is a result of his tummy issues. We need to get him more independent and willing to actually nap during the day. This will come as he gets better but she's concerned that he's "learned" to fear feeding and sleep time.

It's such a shame that DS has had such a shit start. I'd be grumpy too if if never actually had a good nights sleep in my life. It's only been 10 weeks and I'm beyond grumpy due to lack of sleep.

DH does as much as he can but he works away during the week so it's just me and DS. He saw the state he was in on Sunday morning and is going to do his best to come to the GP tomorrow-fingers crossed he can as I could use the back up.

And it continues.....

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mistlethrush · 01/04/2014 15:53

My DS had colic - a bad night he started at 7pm and finished at 5am - with the odd 5 mins off if we were lucky - so I can sympathise (and I didn't have pnd either). Infacol didn't touch it - Colief helped.

SilverStars · 01/04/2014 17:40

Sounds a great plan. And if the new gp refuses to support this then you can get the nurse to contact them perhaps?

My ds had awful issues for first months. Always had to hold him upright until I bought an upright bouncy chair - bought in desperation as so expensive but really helped us: a babybjorn one. That meant he was upright and when able to could hold a toy and I could chop veg etc!! He would not go flat until the reflux was under control I found. Good luck !

LackaDAISYcal · 01/04/2014 17:51

have they examined the baby? My friends had a colicky baby who struggled to poo and was repeatedly told he couldn't possibly be constipated as BF babies don't get constipated. After six months and a rush to a and e as he was so bad with it one night, they discovered that there was a problem with his anal sphincter. A wee op sorted it and he was fine after that.

Worth getting a physical check for baby as well

Sorry you are going through this, though. I've done the non-sleeping/colic/PND combo and it is fucking hard work. Thanks

Weescottie · 01/04/2014 18:59

I'm glad you have a supportive nurse and a plan of action, it helps so much just having something to work towards I find.

Can I ask re point 5, did she recommend any way to do the transition? My DS is also v clingy I think due to his tummy issues and is an awful sleeper, so any tips would be welcome!

Inapickle123 · 01/04/2014 21:54

Weescottie-we tried him for a nap today a fit took the trained baby nurse 1h 40m to get him to sleep for ...11 minutes! Her exact words "this usually works...most babies would have givenup
By now!". We've been bested by a 10 week old.

Main things to help settle DS:

  1. dummy. It's the only thing (besides his bath) he actually likes.
  2. As he's hyper alert allthe time, he needs relaxing stimulation to have something to concentrate on. We have a light up toy that plays music and-sure enough-when we moved it in circles around his head, he started to drift. It took ages though so we're getting a ceiling projector a.s.a.p I was worried this would rile him up so had avoided mobiles etc. but I'm willing to try anything.
  3. DS is comforted when he has dummy in and you stroke his face/nose/ears. She did the light show while I did this and reinserted the dummy when it fell (he spat) it out.
  4. whale music apparently works really well. Didn't do anything for DS but may work. Loudest setting though!
  5. DS loves to kick and gets comfort from "feeling" the Moses basket. Going to buy a bumper so he has something to push against.
  6. all naps (ha!) in the cotbed, looking to start night sleeps in there only once his tummy is settled.
  7. when he was going crazy, turning him on his side Amd patting his back (lot of pressure) while shushing. Can't have hi actually sleep on his side (shame as he seemed dead comfy) but we're already breaking the rules by putting h in his own room before the 6month mark, so probably shouldn't push it.
  8. sleeping bag! This is specific to my DS as he loathes being swaddled.

I think that was about it. Again, I'm sceptical about how successful this will be as he barely naps now (lucky to get a 2h nap first thing as he's so shattered from his nights "sleep", then it's a free for all) but can but try.

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LittleBearPad · 02/04/2014 00:13

Try baby got colic on YouTube. It sounds bloody awful (white noise) but it worked for dd.
Please be careful with bumpers

Good luck.

Chacha23 · 02/04/2014 15:39

following up on your latest post OP - just to say that I ended up letting dd sleep on her side in spite of all the advice, as she clearly was SO much more comfortable. (my theory is that the "sleep on back" advice does indeed reduce the risk of SIDS, but only because the poor babies are so uncomfortable they never actually get into a deep enough sleep to be in danger territory)

I did get one of those fancy Angelcare movement monitor thingies off Gumtree though, as I was pretty terrified. I don't know how helpful they actually are, but it did reassure me.

Estrellita · 02/04/2014 16:16

I also put DD to sleep on her side, despite guidelines. She was so miserable on her back, we never got more than 20 minutes before she would start grunting and fussing. And we had so many frightening episodes with her choking on vomit in the middle of the night. I used a sleep positioner, and special reflux wedge that went under cot sheet. Also angel care monitor and respisense monitor when bed sharing. She was in bedside cot, I was more comfortable with that than putting her in her own room.

Inapickle123 · 03/04/2014 10:58

Update!

After seeing a new (more sympathetic) GP, we were prescribed ranitidine. She did agree with the other GP-that he's just fussy and hyper alert because it's just the way he is and colic-but after standing my ground, she agreed to prescribe on the basis that it won't do him any harm.

He slept!! He actually slept!!!! Did 830-4am then started to fuss. Quick bottle then back to bed (albeit very restless) until 7.

God, I hope it's not a well timed fluke.

I've slept! I've actually slept! 6 whole hours. It's an odd sensation-feel a bit drunk.

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LongTailedTit · 03/04/2014 11:29

Fantastic news! Will keep my fingers very firmly crossed for you both! :)

ArtFine · 03/04/2014 11:32

Really pleased to hear that OP! Smile Give it two weeks on medication at least. All the best x

Estrellita · 03/04/2014 13:00

Wonderful news, so happy for you both!

Weescottie · 03/04/2014 15:37

Brilliant news! Hope it lasts for you!

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