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Do we just need to keep going? (Sleep training) At the end of my rope.

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ChangeMyHappy · 29/12/2013 21:05

Hi,

Sorry this is long, trying not to drip feed...

DD2 has never managed to sleep for more than 4 hours at a time. (I can probably count on one hand). Usually it's 1.5-2 hour stretches. She is now a year old and I'm losing the plot!

Bit of background-had a huge amount of stress during my pregnancy. When she was born, she needed to be held all the time (and I do mean ALL the time), and mostly by me. She would get upset very quickly if DH tried to settle her, and only once in a blue moon was my mum able to help. She was also a very sucky baby, and would cry after feeds unless we gave her a finger to suck. (No evidence of colic/reflux etc). Slept on her tummy on my chest, with her head right up under my chin. We gave in and gave her a dummy, which helped her to settle a bit, but mostly because with DD1 around, I couldn't just sit all day with my finger in her gob!

I assumed this was mostly due to stressful pregnancy, and would settle if we met her need for security and comfort.

Fast forward to now, age 1 year, we've created a monster and I'm on my knees. She will only fall asleep in my (or DH's) arms, (doesn't tend to fall asleep on the boob) and wakes frequently through the night for BF. She is sleeping in until aprox 6am now, which is an improvement on 5! Naps in the day are usually only 45 minutes long, in which case she may manage 2, or if she naps a bit later may manage 1.5 hours, but not always. She does look tired, so I don't think this is enough.

In general, she is a heavenly ray of sunshine! She plays happily, amuses herself in a way DD1 never did, smiles all day and is generally wonderful to be around. And then it's bedtime again.

We recently started trying to sleep train, starting with trying to get her to go to sleep in her cot. (CIO and CC not for us). Solid bedtime routine, at the same time each day (as it's been since she was 3 months old). Put her down and she starts playing. Removed everything of interest from her cot. We lie down next to her, but no eye contact and no interaction, except to occasionally sshhh her if she starts cranking up. If we try to gently lie her down she thinks it's a game and gets up faster, so at the point of slam dunking her in frustration we've stopped doing that Wink The first night, it took an hour. Tonight is the 12th night, it still takes an hour!

I know gradual withdrawal takes longer than the extinction methods, but should we not have seen some improvement yet? Or do we just have to stick with it?

Any advice/experience gratefully received.

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SJisontheway · 29/12/2013 21:11

To speed things up a little could you try putting her up a little later when she's definitely tired. This worked well for us, although with an older child with SN

ChangeMyHappy · 29/12/2013 21:24

We thought of it, but she also looks really tired by the evening, and if we miss her sleep cues she goes over into the hyper/manic 2nd wind phase! Also, when she has the bedtime routine and I feed her, she seems really sleepy. Right up until the point when we put her in the cot!

Thanks for reading through my epic post though!

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smallinthesmoke · 29/12/2013 21:34

Would you consider leaving the room? My 1 yr old was tortured if I lay down next to her, as she simply couldn't understand why I was there but not responding. (I found it tortuous too). Instead I would pop in and out a bit. Or perhaps you consider that CC, I know you've ruled that out. Sorry not sure about precise definitions.
I also found due to the bf thing that it was much better for DH to do the settling. She was more upset by me holding her but refusing to feed. He also got a lot less stressed by the whole affair! We also constructed a more elaborate bed time ritual, with a specific story and song after bf and toothbrushing but before bed. And bedtime security toys- a blanket and teddy which only appeared at bedtime. As she was older we talked a lot about cot, bed, sleep etc and she recognised the words.
I feel for you it is a nightmare! There are no set rules, it depends so much from child to child.

ToucanBlack · 29/12/2013 21:42

My DD is the same age we started sleep training a few weeks ago using 'Dr Jay Gordon's' night weaning method and (fingers crossed) it's worked!

Basically it goes like this. Choose the time you want her to sleep in her bed between (for us it was 11 till 6am). So until this this I would feed her/ rock to sleep, but between 11 and 6am I did the following...

Nights 1-3: If she wakes feed but not to sleep, rock cuddle etc, but put down awake (we rubbed her back until she went off)

These were the worse nights with LOTS of screaming (me and DH mostly Grin)

Nights 4-6: when she wakes pick her up, but no feeding. Put down awake run back etc until she's asleep.

Nights after: No picking up! Rub back until she goes back to sleep.

It's has worked wonders for DD. the first nights were hell, but hang on in there! I am now weaning her off breastfeeding completely, but that's another thread!

Good luck Smile

ChangeMyHappy · 29/12/2013 21:49

We tried leaving the room, she was ok for a minute, but then got really upset. Came back in, calmed her down, but she got hysterical when I left again. She's not upset when we stay with her, just wants to play, and if we don't she amuses herself!
The toys specific to cot and bedtime are a good idea, we might try that, but I think it's most likely she's just see it as encouragement!

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ChangeMyHappy · 29/12/2013 21:54

Sorry, my last post was answering smallinthesmoke.

ToucanBlack-we have been putting her down awake, but she doesn't stay lying down. She gets up straight away to play. I we lie her down she gets up immediately again. Rubbing her back means chasing her around the cot Grin

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ToucanBlack · 29/12/2013 22:22

But she's not going to keep sprinting around the cot all night, just don't let her stand up. I hold DD's bum/ put her down when nearly asleep.

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