another ridiculously early riser

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I see there are a thousand threads recently about early rising, but just have to vent I suppose so instead of hijacking someone elses thread I'll start my own :) any advice desperately appreciated. So, dd is 13months old. She's a terrible sleeper. Never slept through, still wakes during the night, albeit much less in the past few weeks (now 2-3 times as opposed to the 1.5-2hrs we were used to). We went through a phase of getting up for the day at 4, which lasted about 3months and thankfully has now changed to getting up at 5. I'm super interested at making that at least 6! Doesn't make a diff what time she goes to bed or how well she sleeps. Atm, day is up at 5, hold out with bottle til 6, break 6.45-7, nap 9-9.30, lunch 11.30, nap 1-1.30 (if we're lucky she'll have an hr-hr half, but vary dependant on her mood), snack at 3, supper at 4.30-5, bath around 6.30,bed at 7. Blackout curtains haven't changed a thing.ok, mad rambling rant over with now!thanks for taking time to read! (waiting hopefuly for floods of sympathy)

I'm sympathetic but stumped, sitting on the landing listening to my 10.5 mo rampaging around his cot. He's been up since just before 4. Many of the details in your post chime with me, and I have no idea what to do about any of it.

Just got up with 20 month old and desperate for answers. I need sleep.

Must be something in the water... I've been up since 5 (with near-enough hourly wakings before that) with DD2 (11mo).

I. Am. Going. Spare!

Oh man. Poor us! I'm so sorry ur all going through this too, but its nice to know I'm not the only one that gets to watch the sun rise EVERY DAY!

Op I would suggest slowly shifting her morning nap later. Push it 5-10mins later every 3-5 days til it starts at 9.30am earliest, possibly more like 10am & you should find she starts to sleep in later. It may take a few weeks to see any results so stick at it. Keep her afternoon nap at the same time for now unless you find she starts to resist it, in which case you will need to push the morning nap even later towards 11am & aim for 1 nap a day. Hth.

Thanks omama-def worth a try

11am nap yesterday and she slept until 6.15!! Whole hour later. Might be something in moving nap time! She was sleeping after school run and then again in the afternoon so will try to move her to a bigger later one . . .

I'm afraid I'm of the opinion that this is just a phase some children go through and you have to ride it out. I suffered it from 7 mths to 18 mths. I tried all kinds of things, I don't think any of it helped - for my DS it was definitely just a phase. I just had to make sure I was in bed early so I could deal with the disturbed nights and early mornings. Miserable though you have my sympathies, it feels never ending.

Huge amounts of sympathy here, DD did this from about 8 months to about 19 months.

I became obsessed by it, it gave me depression. The only way I could get her back to sleep immediately was to put her in the car and drive around at 5am.

Any changes we made only lasted a short time and she was back to her evil ways.

In terms of routine, obviously over the time period above she dropped her morning nap altogether. We didn't do the super early lunch thing that seems popular, she always ate at adult times, so I'm not sure that made any difference.

I read somewhere that they grow out of it when they can jump, in our case that was about right.

Same here, I tried explaining I dd (8m) at 5:15 that I was recording The Hoobs for her and the she could have a lie in. I don't think she believed me so used the, not getting up with me? I'll fill my nappy and you'll have to get up and change me so we're up anyway tactic.

Hoobs was rubbish, it was the one about jealousy.

My daughter is 20months. So I'm moving to one nap. Before a year her sleep was all over the place and agree just a phase (she seemed to sleep 7to 11fine and anything after that was a bonus, then maybe back to sleep at 5!

The glo or gro clock worked with my older one when she was about 3 , hoping I can change my little one-s habits before 3!

The other tactic is the low, guttural moaning campaign that sounds a lot like "lazy father, lazy father"

Or the Chuck the dummy then cry event

Or the kick, kick, kick on the mattress

Or the fake cough

Or the find the monitor and jabber at it really loud as apparently the receiver has to be on the highest volume setting in case we can't hear dd who is less than 4 meters away in her room with the door open.

Or, my personal favourite, shout, pause until I think she's gone back to sleep, doze off myself, shout again. Repeat as needed.

I would have loved all of those, DD screamed from the moment she woke.

I'm more and more believing everyone that there's not really anything to do about a babys sleep. My mum used to tell me that at the end of the day whatever u do the baby will win. What a wise woman!particularly awful night-yesterday she woke at 5am,and refused to sleep alllll day until i put her to bed at 6pm. The longest stretch she slept for I think was 20mins throughout the night,taking at least half an hour and up to 2hours to resettle each time. Up and ready for the day at 4.45

If she only slept for 20mins during the day she was probably overtired? It seems counter intuitive but from what I've read if they're overtired at bedtime there's a fair chance there will be disrupted sleep. It certainly seems that way with mine. Not that there's a lot you can do if they seem to refuse sleep. Did you try long walk in pushchair? Car? I'm sure the older they get the easier it is to establish routine and they fall into a pattern better. It just takes a lot longer for some of us!

I've had a result with my 20 month old. We've been moving her nap later (she was still taking 2, one at 9.30). Its now about 11 and she's sleeping through until 6. Ideally I guess at this age it would be lunchtime but haven't solved the what time to put to bed and when to eat dilemma yet!

Good luck everyone. Sleep deprivation is torture.

Twasbrillig u give me hope!worked out she's teething some momma huge teeth..another day of 5mins sleep so looking forward to another wonderous night!