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ab00 · 24/05/2013 13:26

Hi, DS2 had just turned 9 weeks (DS1 had just turned 17 months - I'm mad I know!)& since he was born things have been a bit of a challenge. We are ebf but the poor little mite had reflux which had up until this point had a huge knock on effect to everything from feeding (would suck a little, scream, suck a little, scream & then scream & cry inconsolably from around 5pm - 10pm every night) to sleep (could not & I mean could NOT be put down anywhere without wakining within minutes).
The reflux is now being treated with Ranitidine & Gaviscon & Ds2 is doing much better in terms of feeding & sleep, to a point.
At the moment DS2 wakes up somewhere between 6 - 7pm has a feed, will suit with us while we eat (or be being fed himself) DS1 goes to bed (depending on Ds2 either me or dh takes him to bed) between 8 - 9pm ds2 is bathed & then 9pm - 10pm fed & goes to sleep. We take him up with us between 10pm - 11pm because if he's not really asleep he wakes very quickly after being put in his bed which is next to me. He will then sleep for about 4 hours on a good night, wakes up to be fed which he seems to do in 20minutes max before dozing off so we change his nappy to try to get him to feed a bit more which he will for all of 5 minutes & is then asleep again. So I'm thinking he must be full as really hungry babies don't sleep?
He will then be put down 20 minutes later to make sure he's really asleep but will then wake again anywhere between 5 minutes or 2 hour's later if we're lucky & so the fun begins. I try to feed him again but to be honest whether he's asked within 5 minutes or 2 hour's makes no difference he will feed for a max 5 minutes doze off, no matter what I do won't feed (so can't be hungry? ) but the second we try to put him down is awake. He then ends up being propped on mine or dh chest out of desperation where he will happily sleep for at least another 2 hour's so we can get some much needed sleep before ds1 wakes up at 8am.
Im not by any means expecting him to sleep through (although would be bloody fantastic!) but am concerned by this not sleeping in his own bed lark as am concerned about safety & creating a bad habit we will struggle to break later. The other thing thatis worrying / frustrating me is what's waking him so quickly second time around hunger but falls back to sleep quickly, reflux but have propped mattress up & built a nest so is nice & snug & tried putting a used top of mine in with him or just not being tired anymore? I know the answer is probably to persevere & keep him at home for a while so every time he sleeps he gets put in his bed?
Rationally I know that it's probably still far too early to be worrying about sleep patterns & forming bad habits & that this behaviour is completely normal Fir an ebf 9 week old but I can't help it as the only thing we have to benchmark against is Ds1 who was exceptionally good & slept through in his own bed from around 10 weeks but he was combined fed so is a different kettle of fish. Sorry for the massive essay but really just needed to say it out loud & get it off my chest.

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cathan · 24/05/2013 15:15

My DD was ebf and she slept through the night from 5 weeks so it is possible! My DS on the other hand, didn't sleep through till he was nearly 3 months (also ebf). From what you say about him not being hungry and being happy to sleep on you, I think this is a habit that he's forming and you should stop it in it's tracks. It's not good for him (or you) and so is worth putting a stop to now. Make sure he's not hungry and then put him in his cot. If he cries, pat his back or stroke his head for a second, then step away. Keep doing that until he falls asleep for himself. He's a bit young for controlled crying, but this half-way method should work and is certainly worth trying. It may take a while and I know how hard it can be when you're tired yourself and it would be so much easier to pick him up, but be strong! Good luck!

aldeburgh · 28/05/2013 19:20

have you ruled out tongue tie... falling asleep after a few mins and fussing at the breast are symptoms... as is reflux... my dd (10) weeks has reflux but also had a posterior tongue tie and we had all kinds of problems with breastfeeding... including failing to gain weight or poo. long story short was not transferring milk efficiently and my supply dwindled and a vicious cycle ensued but she would fall asleep after minutes.
not saying it is.tongue tie... but worth ruling it out.
also dd only sleeps on us at the moment, ranitidine and gaviscon yet to help on the sleep front... sling for days and dh and i take turns at night. it is horrid and i keep having to remind myself it will pass... and i too worry about negative sleep associations that we are forming... but a wonderful mumsnetter said the refux means you throw out the rule book and do what you need to do to get through it.

aldeburgh · 28/05/2013 19:21
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Pleasenomorepeppa · 28/05/2013 19:34

DD2 is now 4 months & is on Omeprezole as Ranitidine didn't work. She is also on Aptimal Pepti 1 formula.
She hated BF, would scream nearly everytime she got a good latch. We mixed fed & stopped BF about a month ago as she would just get so distressed.
She's only just starting to take feeds well. She'll still more often than not get really distressed at milk time.
She now sleeps from 7-11, then til about 4 & then up properly anytime between 5.30-7.30!
She now goes in her pushchair, but I use a wrap sling around the house, although she's definitely improving, she's very happy & content most of the time now. She's still a Mummy's girl though & often has a day where she's uncomfortable & clingy.
Also make sure the Ranitidine doesage is correct as its weight based.
Good luck & just keep on doing what you're doing. Smile.

ab00 · 30/05/2013 10:07

Thanks for the replies! Ds2 had his ranitidine dosage upped & we had a few nights where he slept really well, managing a 6 - 7 hour stretch of sleep, a good fast feed & then back to sleep in his own bed. Then along come vaccinations to bugger it all up 2 days ago!

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Wiggy29 · 30/05/2013 11:32

Sorry to crash the thread a bit, but what do you mean when you say check they aren't hungry? How do you know? My dc wakes around 3:30 (after previous feed at 22:30), he doesn't take a full feed though, how do I tell if he's hungry or just in the habit of a comfort feed?

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