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How to deal with night wakings (8 month old)

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dekari · 07/01/2013 16:18

I'm starting to question my own judgement and would really appreciate some advice! My DD has been waking up at least every other night (at random times) for the past few weeks and can't/won't go back to sleep without a bf or at least 2 hours of being awake. To give you all the facts...

She was a rubbish sleeper for her first few months (needed a bf to get to sleep) but settled herself from 4 months. She started to sleep through at 6 months - from 7 til 7. However, she's never been consistent - 5 days in a row is the best she's done. On the other days, I would bf her when she woke in the night, as I've always done.

I spoke to the HV after a month or so of this and she said there's no point sleep training, as it's not habit if she doesn't wake up every night. That made sense to me. Her solution was to keep assuming she was hungry if she did wake in the night and, in the meantime, make sure she ate enough in the day. She now has three substantial meals: porridge and a piece of fruit for breakfast at 8; finger sandwiches and vegetables, followed by a creamy/fruity dessert for lunch at noon; and a homemade pureed/mashed meal (200ml) followed by a creamy/fruity dessert for tea at 5pm. She has a hearty breastfeed first thing and short bfs mid-morning and mid-afternoon, then a 7oz bottle of aptamil at 6.30. She has a healthy appetite and seems to go to bed satisfied.

Despite following the HV's advice, I didn't notice an improvement, so I decided to use the fact that my DH was off work for 2 weeks over Christmas to try out not feeding my LO if she woke up. My concern is that although she can get to sleep and back to sleep on her own (I often hear her babbling randomly in the night), if anything is wrong, and it often seems to be (reflux, teething, a cold) she starts crying and uses my milk to soothe her back to sleep.

She always wants to be picked up when I go in to her and will scream blue murder if I don't. She has cut her first tooth in the last few weeks and, in my efforts to not feed her, I ended up calming her down by distracting/reading to her and taking numerous attempts to put her back in her cot (with her comforter, lullabies/white noise) and trying water (which she doesn't really take) and Calpol and (when she seems really poorly) Ibuprofen too (spaced a couple of hours apart). This process usually takes 2+ hours to be successful. She doesn't necessarily always want a bf, but when she gets really upset, it does tend to soothe her - often back to sleep.

I was up for 2 hours last night for the third time in 4 days and my husband came through at 5am and said "just feed her"! So I did! I know it may sound like I'm being mental/cruel, but I really wanted to get her out of this habit, as I'll be looking to wean her completely in a few months and I don't think she is hungry (especially when she wakes up earlier in the night). She's generally a happy baby and usually (touch wood!) has two good naps in the day.

So, I guess my questions are: Is there anything else I can do to help her resettle without a bf when she's uncomfortable in the night? Should l give in and feed her? Could she be hungry? Will this continue throughout the teething process?

All thoughts and advice would be gratefully received, as I'm driving myself mad grappling with what to do in the middle of the night!

Thank you!

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teacher123 · 07/01/2013 18:07

Are you me?! Did you write my post and borrow my baby in the middle of the night?! My way of dealing with it is to try and offer water first and leave him to it for half an hour, and then if he's still whinging then I give in and feed him. DS often wakes at 5am, and struggles to resettle, as obviously he's hungry and not very sleepy anymore as he's been asleep for hours by then! I find though that other things tend to wake DS up, I don't really think he's hungry, but he'll wake up because it's teeth, or a cold or something, and then will want a feed to settle back. But my HV did say before Xmas that this is a funny age, they have almost got the hang of sleeping, and if they eat enough during the day then they won't be hungry at night, but it's not consistent yet. So I have no answers, but also share the dilemma!

dekari · 07/01/2013 20:07

That's so reassuring - thank you. Glad to know it's a funny age! These things always seem insurmountable when you're in the midst of them (especially in the middle of the night!). I just need a light at the end of the tunnel!

I don't mind as much when she wakes at 5ish - like you said, I think she probably is hungry and, if I feed her then, I tend to let her go back to sleep then give her brekkie without the 7am feed (it makes her eat more porridge!). It's the waking for other reasons that's the problem - especially when she screams everytime I try to put her back down. I can generally tell when she's going to be unsettled in the night, as I hear her whinging on the monitor every hour or so. I'm sure if she was a better sleeper, a bit of a cold or teething wouldn't disrupt her sleep so much.

I know loads of people who have done sleep training and their babies now sleep through all the time, but obviously you shouldn't do that when they're teething etc. so it looks like we're stuck between a rock and a hard place for now... unless anyone else has some sage advice!?

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teacher123 · 07/01/2013 20:46

I don't think that sleep training would work, because our babies can self settle. DS puts himself to sleep at nap times and at bedtime by sucking his thumb, therefore he CAN go to sleep by himself. From all the millions of threads I've read on here about CC they all come with the disclaimer that it doesn't work when babies are ill or teething. Therefore our babies must be waking for a reason if they can sleep through at other times. (I have no idea if any of that makes sense!)

dekari · 07/01/2013 21:01

That does make sense and I think you're right! Oh well - fingers crossed for a good night tonight...

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teacher123 · 08/01/2013 07:56

Well he woke at 4am and I just fed him as I was tired and he went straight back to sleep...! Path of lease resistance here last night!

emmyloo2 · 08/01/2013 08:02

We had this problem with our older baby (he was around 12-18 months) and we did have to stop feeding him and do some sleep training. I got a sleep consultant in and followed her advice. Basically cold turkey on the feeding, don't pick them up out of their cot, instead lie on the floor next to the cot and pull them down and stroke their backs or sing etc. Sleep training (if that's the right word for it) really does work. I put up with intermittent wakings for 6 months as I kept hoping it would pass but, and you probably don't want to hear this, it got worse. I bit the bullet and got the sleep consultant in and he stopped waking after about a week of doing what she said. He is now 2 and very very rarely wakes at night other than crying out in his sleep with a nightmare.

teacher123 · 08/01/2013 08:46

I just always worry that at 8mo he might still be hungry, we had problems with weight loss when he was born, and I think I still worry about that...

dekari · 08/01/2013 15:10

We had problems with weight loss in her first few months too - they are the same baby! Having read some of the issues other people have with their 8-10mo in this forum, I feel like I might have been blowing my issues out of proportion - that's what a few nights of broken sleep will do to you! I think I will keep trying to avoid feeding her and, if she's still waking in the middle of the night when she's not teething/full of cold, I will consider some form of sleep training, in consultation with my HV. I am not averse to the CIO method, but obviously can't do this while she's poorly (hence the aforementioned rock and hard place!) Will she ever not be again is the question!?

From other posts, it does seem like most babies take a couple of hours before they will resettle again once they are properly awake in the night, which makes sense. I can just never manage to calm her down (stop the wailing), unless I take her out of the cot. My cot doesn't have a drop-down side emmyloo, so not sure how I'd do the lying on the floor thing, but thank you for the tip. Any other thoughts on this?

Last night, she cried out at 1.30, but resettled, then woke up at 5.50 this morning, clearly hungry but not uncomfortable - so I wonder if she's going through some kind of growth spurt/developmental phase or not quite getting enough milk/food during the day and that's making her wake up a bit early on days when she's not bunged up or suffering from teething pain. I can handle her waking at this time though. Think I might start a sleep diary to see if I can spot any other patterns.

Good Luck Teach! Smile

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teacher123 · 08/01/2013 20:05

They ARE the same baby!! I also want to stop bf completely, so have been discussing this with DH this evening. He's got a week of nights next week and then is off work for two weeks, so we're going to try to tackle night weaning and stop bf completely in that fortnight. (He did say why didn't I try it whilst he was out every night next week, I said a most emphatic NO!)

Inconsistency is such a pain in the arse! Every time I think we've cracked it, something happens! I am also desperate for a night away with DH, and MIL is itching to look after him overnight, but i am hesitant at the moment, as his sleep is so touch and go. Ah well, maybe we should just go for it! She wouldn't mind sitting up with him in the night, he is the prodigal grandson!

dekari · 08/01/2013 20:34

Well, her second tooth seems to be on its way. Her cheeks are bright red and she's been chewing everything today - had less dinner than usual but happily chomped on a breadstick! She cried for a few minutes before falling asleep, then again after 40 minutes, so we're in for a rocky night tonight I reckon. I can almost always tell from how she is when I put her down (I knew last night would be better, as she barely made a peep). I definitely have a bad feeling tonight!

My husband is a teacher, so I think I'll give us the final final deadline of the Easter holidays (10 weeks away) and if her sleep hasn't sorted itself by then, we'll do some form of proper sleep training. Hopefully she'll have overcome the teething issues by then (touching loads of wood!) We're going away in the February half term, which I'm aware could cause regression too. Must remain strong!

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teacher123 · 08/01/2013 21:03

They ARE THE SAME. DS woke EXACTLY 40 minutes after he went to sleep tonight!!! Don't think he's teething though, but he's got a residual cough from a virus he's had for a couple of weeks, which disturbs him.

We had real problems weaning him off bf in the daytime, and have managed that now, today for the first time ever he drank all his morning and afternoon milk from his beakers. That has taken nearly 3 months to achieve and there were many times when I just thought it would never happen and I'd still be feeding him all times of the day and night forever! So I know that changes can be made and I also rationally know that he eats shed loads and is thriving, therefore he's not really hungry in the night. But I also know that in the middle of the night he wants a feed and a cuddle and his mummy. So I just want him to sleep through by himself, so that I don't have to have the horrible transition bit which will, let's face it, make him cry :-(

Sorry, that was a real essay! Hope her teeth don't give her too much trouble tonight-have you tried teething powders? They worked for DS :-)

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